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Gavin sheets is huuuuge https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/953323853031333890 (is he 2nd from left?)

He's seen so little baseball of the level he should be. I'm hoping for a quick take-off, but I'm nervous he's going to struggle right away and get frustrated

Looks like a good turnout but I don't really recall what this looks like year to year. Mostly just remember collins and Moncada last year.

I forgot Basabe played in winter league. Any chance you guys have heard anything after a BA writer said he had knee surgery?

Frankly I think our drafting should be providing a better 15-30, so lets hope this year we see jumps from players from latam and the past two drafts, and we dont' need to rely on only filling up our farm via trade.

DAMN Lavine has 18-5-5 in 20 MINUtES

I think to get a top 5 pick we’ll need to sell off Lopez, Holliday and Niko.

When a core wins 3 World Series you let them get one last shot, in my opinion. If they get Cain it’s at least a squint and you can see situation

I think we’ll get a first, but there may be crazy protections on it. If we trade with the jazz and it’s top 20 protected, you may not see that for years, and then depends on what it turns into.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 01:24 PM) And it is much harder when you aren't signing anyone from the top of classes, but more like in the 25-30 range on most years. But is this Paddy’s strategy or Hahn’s?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 12:32 PM) I honestly can't believe someone like the Yankees didn't out bid this. Yanks did reportedly offer Frazier

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 11:16 AM) He has been around for 6 years. I once read where the average DR prospect takes at least 7 years to develop, so at the very least, he isn't ahead of the curve, To be fair he took over an operation that was probably as low as you can go. I thin he has a couple more years at least before you can say he failed though. Some of these guys have to develop. But it is hard to pick out a 15 or 16 year old and say future star major leaguer. It's hard in any sport. I would imagine basketball would be the easiest. Lebron is a no brainer, but take these guys when they are sophomores and juniors in high school and project them in one of the hardest if not the hardest sport to project, is something where everyone fails. If the Sox didn't trade for Shields and all things remained the same, this thread probably does not exist. I do now at one of the seminars I was at during Soxfest last year, they were really projecting a Lat Am breakout in 2017. I don't think it happened to the scale they were hoping, maybe this year, but their development staff seemed pretty confident their LatAm signings would soon become household names to White Sox fans. When Paddy was hired I think most said “it will be 10 years before we really see impact” and I think reality is the guy also was never given a “super class” of 15+ guys that other orgs had. Harder when your success rate depends on hitting on 33% of your million dollar signings instead of 10%.

Also this is nit picky but it’s been more realistically 6 years for paddy, with our 2013 classes onward being a fair judgment.

I don’t disagree with any of that. I don’t see anyone but Perez and solarzano in A, maybe they push up nunez mid season. I guess Reyes could. Zangari is probably in GF. Forgetting our 8th rounder but he’s probably AZL again. Don’t remember a kanny 1b ahead of him.

I continue to be nervous about the lack of impact from last am compared to other orgs, but I’m honestly still in wait and see mode: - he who shall not be named was one of the slam dunk signings recently, not paddy’s fault he was traded. - The 2016 class has started off the most promising in terms of production than any I remember - most importantly, I think we underrate how much foundation needed to be built up. Some literally, like the DR facility, but rangers and Yankees and others are utilizing relationships decades in the making with people that funnel players their way. Paddy literally had to start from scratch, convince people that the Sox were now different, and after two or so classes with that in place, we now are sitting a few classes off. I have hopes for Lenyn Sosa and Anthony Coronado who both made it stateside at 17 and performed relatively well. The 14 and 15 classes, HWMNBN and Adolfo aside, have been disappointing SO far. Still could do something. But we’ve really struggled to find up the middle talent.

Passan sums up well: https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/952339574725935104

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 06:26 PM) To the Astros, what they gave up were largely spare parts....they had what they traded covered. But there still was some talent in what they gave up. Musgrove can be a good 4 and a very good 5 on a contending team. That has value. And the Pirates obviously wanted ML ready players, so the ceiling won't be as high as if you trade for A ball players. The last paragraph is what is baffling to me. Pitching is proving expensive for a team like the pirates. But why target Moran? I would rather have the verlander trade honestly. Much rather Perez than Musgrove.

I would love to poll what people thought Cole would get from Astros earlier in week to now, and hear these “actually trading a young cost controlled pitcher on a two year contract in an environment of expensive 30+ year old free agents that no one wants to give more than 3 years to, getting a backend starter and corner infielder is actually a great return!” Especially when the pirates held him at deadline and last offseason when they almost certainly get a haul.

That would mean Rodon would have never had a single good year in his career, unlike Cole who had 3 very good years. Musgrove is a guy you trade for when you just want a team around 80 wins so you can posture as competitive.

If we traded Rodon for Musgrove and Moran I’d say we completely wasted an asset.

BA ranked Moran as the 9th best prospect headed into this season. Guessing they don’t grade him well at 3rd.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 05:35 PM) Heyman saying four are heading to Pitt with Moran and Musgrove being the main pieces. Luhnow's patience is paying off big time. No kidding. I didn’t particularly like the Musgrove, Martes and Tucker for Q proposed trade, this would have made me gag.

Sorry more may be coming back to bucs

Yuck. Trade confirmed to Astros, just musgrove and Moran to bucs. Again, the Astros have handled their assets brilliantly

Or agents are like "just throw in the White Sox! People will just think Kenny Williams is taking over for a decision!"