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Okay lets create a phone tree to map out who we need to wake up. Someone start a google doc?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Absolutely dude and and I am one of those offenders of crazy trade proposals. But I think Sox fans here are overall more practical than what I've read from Yanks, Boston and Astros fans this winter. The Pirates fanbase has been extremely practical imho, and I've gained alot of respect for those fans because it shows they not only know their own team well but have a very practical understanding of Q's value. Definitely some knowledgeable baseball fans. I think we are more practical now, in July, however, we were literally just writing the top ten prospects for every team and then questioning whether getting a 10 for 1 deal was even enough.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) Holy hell Brantly: 2 starts, 1.23 ERA, 2 BB, 12 SO, .208/.246/.264/.510, 0 HR Flowers: 17 starts, 2.73 ERA, 49 BB, 98 SO, .234/.331/.341/.672, 7 HR Soto: 7 starts, 9.12 ERA, 20 BB, 29 SO, .330/.444/.550/.994, 4 HR I saw him pitch one of the worst games of my life, the adam laroche pitched yankees game where the first three innings were maybe 6 hours long.

Hey, we got a serious adjective.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:52 PM) Charlie Tilson would have been my choice, but since he's not there for some reason, I'll take Engel. So true, let's make a big deal about this. Why wouldn't our starting cf'er be there?

D'oh, meant to put this in futuresox. Moving. sorry.

I was thinking how I was pretty pumped that Eddy Alvarez could have a legit shot to see some ML action with us being a rebuilding team and him now being on AAA. What obscure/marginal prospect are you excited to see potentially get a shot on the rebuilding white sox? Obviously the top ten won't be on here, but list someone I don't have here and why

Does he look like Miguel Cabrera

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) Tilson. D'oh, sorry. I wonder if we carry 5 outfielders

so do we have a CFer (not that coats was)?

es.pn/2jjo1Eg 8m-12m: Peter gammons on Pirates/Q. Speculate astros coming back for Q with similar Archer deal. Discuss Pirates getting Q then trading Cole in year or two to recoup. 19m: Dave Dombrowski on Sale Some interesting notes: - Wash reports coming out, DD is nervous - Use thornberg trade to confirm deal is still possible (one player was discussed with chisox prior) - was not confirmed until next da but that night, Hahn brings up Basabe/Diaz and DD confirms they are open to that Kinda continues to be confusing. I was sure we used Wash rumors to make Bosox nervous into including devers but seems pretty clear boston was not budging on him + moncada 35 mm hahn - haven't listened to yet. I figure people are bored and could be interested.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Lol, all catchers throw righty.... Oh right, handedness not best for catchers, however the google search "narvaez switch hitting" led me to some site called futuresox: http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/omar-narvaez/ which says he abandoned switch hitting in 2014.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) Yep. Super small sample, but Narvaez actually hit much better against LHP last year. Wasn't he switch hitter, but decided to drop batting from the right side in the majors? He throws righty, so I'd guess yes. I knew nothing about Narvaez before he was brought up though.

Here's a terrible idea: a minor league circuit that is only classic astroturf stadiums.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) So if hypothetically he's platooned with Narvaez, we actually have one left handed hitting catcher and one right handed hitting catcher on the roster this time, not two righties, right? Yes, and Soto has not played above 90 games in some time so definitely not going to expect 120+ games out of him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) for what purpose? Lived in/near 2 of those cities the past year. We need you to bug the GMs offices for th Pirates and Astros.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-hitter...-left-fielders/ I read this and thought maybe melky's july deadline market may be bigger than I thought (i.e >0). The AL left fielders are just that bad, though this obviously is just one component and we'd probably all take Brett Gardner over Melky.

I'm fine with this. One thing on our catchers pre-this signing, zips projections were so bad that Roberto Pena was our highest projected catcher even with his .600 OPS in minors offense. If we don't care about the black hole on offense he provides he would be my favorite for first one up (above Kevan Smith).

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) It's funny. Q is better than Archer, left handed, younger, and has been a workhorse in the bigs for longer. He has one less year of control. And the Astros offered a larger package than the one that the Sox asked for for Archer. Velocity must mean everything. Ya never know, they may just value Musgrove, an actual MLB pitcher, just that much more than Paulino.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) No one found Chris Hemsworth's stupidity kind of funny in Ghostbusters? I thought it was actually, a little bit. It was fine, it just wasn't movie redeeming.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Where was this reported? From a comment I also saw on Crawfish Boxes, it reports Peter Gammons said it on MLB network: 'Stros of Crush City @Astros_Arsenal Gammons just said on MLBN Luhnow went to Rays and said Tucker/Martes/Paulino + 2 more prospects for Archer. Rays said no. Very surprising 10:32 AM - 4 Jan 2017

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) I think it's relevant in this thread, but the Rays turned down a Martes, Tucker, Paulino ++ for Archer. That is crazy. It has been great news for sox that the only truly comparable asset was on the Rays, who are not going to undercut the sox to take the slightly under deal. Rays are benefiting from sox benchmarks being high, sox are benefitting from Rays asks ALWAYS being higher than sox.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) I think that Tim Anderson can, especially if his defense doesn't fall off, easily be a 2-3 WAR shortstop in the big leagues without making major adjustments at the plate. I was expecting far worse from him defensively last year and that turned out to be a strength for him even with a moderately low fielding %age (which could improve with work and a different coaching staff). Let's assume that BABIP and ISO both drop mildly into more normal ranges next year - he's still fast so his baserunning won't be bad, and if his defense stays where it is then he's a 3 WAR shortstop, 2 WAR if his defense falls off a bit. Here's the question - he needs to improve with the bats to become an all star shortstop. I have no issues running him out there as a "slightly above average player" which is where he is with his current D. Slightly above average players under team control for 6 years are really useful! When we're talking about him needing to become a more patient player...improving his approach at the plate would give him the chance to move up to a 4-5 WAR player where you're talking about him as one of the top 5 or so shortstops in baseball. I think he has as good of a chance as anyone we've seen in a while to do that, but I won't be convinced until he does that. I just think he can be an elite fielding Didi Gregorious, certainly less HR power but can make up with more doubles/triples. And with the amount of SS talent, I don't know that TA will be a top 5 SS, and you know, I think we'll talk about him the way the pirates talked about neal walker for years. Not an all star, not just "solid" either.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Agreed - I mean maybe a tad aggressive because they had a real need at SS last year and after their hot start needed him there. But the guy had nearly 1,500 PA in the minors. This wasn't a Gordon Beckham rush job. Except Gordon Beckham was a 3 year SEC college starter, Tim anderson was a juco player in an obscure league in rural mississippi with 3 years of baseball experience. He may not have been white sox rushed but compared to other orgs he was moved aggressively.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) I hope you are too, his walk rate is just soo low and has been at every level, and is OSwing is pretty high ration against his Zswing that make me think he will have pitche recognition and contact issues. I think he is a great athlete, and has a chance to be a good hitter, but the majors is a bad place to learn plate discipline. It's just the White Sox were sooo aggressive with him. Any other team probably doubles him up at AA or gives him a full year at AAA. That he hasn't fallen on his face at any level is encouraging that he improves.