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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:19 AM) The question is getting players that will be on your next playoff team. If they aren't players that will be on that team, the next thing you worry about is valuation. The next question is who is more likely to put up big numbers, Tyler Saladino or Todd Frazier to turn into a trade that will next you something? The answer to that question is who you will play. That's not a question. Todd Frazier will get traded, and his market isn't much different now than deadline.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) Tyler Saladino is not going to be a major contributor in two to three years. We are going to give lots of playing time to people who may not be around in a few years. But you do that because sometimes players surprise you, see Odubel Herrera. Saladino could well be a great bench bat we use across three positions in 3 years, and that has value too. That would mean we don't have to give players like bonifacio time.

Developing talent isn't a waste of our time, it should be our entire purpose for the next few years. There is going to be a major contributor on our team in 2-3 years that we cannot plan on or have no idea about and it will be because we gave lots of chances to lots of different players. If Saladino can become a league average bat, then he is a multipositional player with plus defense at 2 out of 3 positions. That could be valuable.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 07:54 AM) Followed to that logical conclusion, any temporary disruption will eventually lead back to equilibrium. For now, they at least appear to be cheap. But that won't last forever. Not a bet I'm taking. I don't think Sox need to target DH now with assumption they may be expensive in four years.

Wow, didnt remember this. GOP did same thing in 05 after gaining unilateral control http://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/01/05/polit...=0&referer=

If they are the next market inefficiency that means they'll be cheap which is the point.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 06:34 AM) I agree as well. I'd be on the phone offering him to the Dodgers. A cheaper (in terms of money and prospects) alternative to Dozier. I'd be shocked if dodgers couldn't recreate Lawries production in house. Hell we did

I don't see market trend changing with this CBA, if anything spending will be curbed even more with the rich teams taking luxury tax seriously while the players not recognizing how the greater amounts of "tanking" teams would destroy the markets of the exact players like the 1b/dh types that are typically fan pleasing signings. If those rebuilding teams and poor teams are no longer interested, their markets are thin and should continue to be so.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 10:11 PM) Donald Driver was a very good WR. Greg Jennings in his prime would've been good anywhere, age just caught up with him. Jordy Nelson is a good WR that plays like a great WR because of his chemistry with Rodgers. Randall Cobb is a useful NFL player, or at least has been the last few years. If you want to make an argument for Rodgers doing less than more it would be the fact that the the best RB he's ever had behind him is Ryan Grant. Right, and funny thing about wide receivers that leave for free agency, they tend to go to poor passing teams.

He moved to ESPN, and it has been heavily implied that the mothership would not allow him to do a podcast with a non-espn employee. Jeff Sullivan is taking over, should still be great.

For Effectively Wild's 1000th episode, and sadly Sam Millers last, they brought back Kevin Goldstein on. Goldstein used to write on prospects for BP and then took a job with the Astros as the director of pro scouting. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=30901 I posted this because I have had a lot of curiosity about what the trading process actually looks and feels like. Are teams all on a call tossing different names out? Are they actually looking at a big board of their own prospects and the other teams? At around the 10 minute mark, Miller starts asking KG questions about this process. It doesn't answer everything, but he does address some things, like a question on whether teams trying to acquire a player offer up players they are looking for or ask for what it would take (teams have their own style, my take is that sox tend to ask and tell people what they are looking for/willing to give up), some discussion on "fleecing" and how the industry feedback is never really same as media feedback, and other stuff. Thought it was super interesting. Also at the end, they talk about minor league free agents, and how even if a scout and analytics say this guy is a good pickup they won't ever make room for a minor league FA if they can't play, they always value their guys more (it's more interesting in podcast).

They are both amazing, and both had times where the talent around them slipped and people asked whether they were on decline only to see them post another dominant year. That and their bad years are still typically top ten in league. edit: That said, Brady's longevity does matter and for last decade Brady has had a WR crew that has looked a lot like Green Bays last year.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 06:41 PM) So longevity and being old is a criteria for the HOF? Julio Franco is a lock for the baseball HOF then. Uh, being excellent when you are old is probably the number one thing needed to be in hall of fame.

Angels aren't tanking. I'm not counting them out of a winning season.

Trading for barreto as headliner is like asking for Newman without a glasnow/bell. As aren't a fit for me.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 1, 2017 -> 10:07 PM) Who? Are you referring to the Mets fan? Yes, I suppose he is a mets fan.

Caul field how is that remotely relevant to a Quintana trade rumor thread

I wouldn't buy battlefield just for campaign storyline. I got through it pretty quickly and I'm not good at videogames. I like battefield, I do, but man, as someone that only gets 1-2 hr stints to play video games it just seems like all battlefield is is watching a loading screen for an hour, then 10 minutes of game play, then 20 minutes of waiting for next game to start, then 10 minutes of gameplay, etc

The jags were startlingly bad. I like a lot of their players from college days, I honestly hope they find a coach to turn it around because that'd be a shame to see all those players wallow.

I'd be fine going after a tyrod Taylor too.

QUOTE (striker @ Jan 1, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) Sickels Pirates top 20. Rates Keller higher than Bell. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/12/31/...spects-for-2017 What a system

This is going perfectly.

Great year, 2016.

That nationals fan really ruined this.