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After dealing with Danks, I wouldn't want to touch these long term pitcher deals with a ten foot pole. Even with teams with resources like Cubs Yankees, it's still awkward for them to deal with an 18 million dollar sink hole in the rotation.

Can't answer red, I believe gates are 2 hrs before if I remember correctly from opening day. It will almost certainly be Danks. As I've discussed with others on the board, it is almost unbelievable how many danks games everyone has been to vs. everyone else.

I have been forced to follow gawker saga on twitter. I can not believe the stupid petulence of the editors.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Salty about what? I was joking with you raining on the Micah parade. Yeah his home runs have come in a home run park but you have to think those home runs in Charlotte will result in doubles and triples elsewhere Exactly, it's just illustrating he has more pop than slapping singles everywhere.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) It would have to be all four and even then throw in some low level guys or absorb a bad contract. Too much bust capacity in those four products to give up a generational talent like Sale. No ones untradeable but you need to quality and quantity in any deal for Sale. Sale is fantastic, but there is no way dodgers would make that trade. And if that's the case, than that is not his value.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) No. I just don't join lynch mobs. I just wonder why isn't this "historical" lack of offense not blamed on the hitting coach? Why was Ozzie Guillen's stint as a 3rd base coach all the experience anyone really needs? Robin actually did better his first year as a manager with probably a lot less roster. Why were all the moves made this winter praised and Rick Hahn admired, and when they didn't work, then shifted to KW's decisions, and Hahn is nothing but a puppet? And if Rick Hahn is KW's b****, why would anyone think he would have any reasonable chance to succeed as a GM on his own? Those same people, if asked, would all support the firehouse clearing of KW/Hahn/Buddy Bell/Robin/Steverson Hahn has the same situation as Emery in the Bears, seemed to be taking the right steps, drafting had been slightly better, but moved into a situation that required drastic change and refused to make those changes. Emery didn't clear out scouts and the draft development dept that had drafted no one, and Hahn, despite overhauling our latin america scouting thanks to the most embarrassing scandal this side of 1919, did not overhaul our player development. He has made incremental improvements, but then without the drastic foundational improvements you realize it's just lipstick on a pig. And he needs to own that. So, yes, assuming he walked into a competent org not in need of a complete teardown, i think Rick Hahn would be a pretty good GM. But that's not what he walked into, and the fact that he did not take the steps to build a long-term winner means he should be fired. I agree with Balta, we are sooo much farther away than we realized. We are still in a position where every prospect needs to succeed to stay on track. That's not tenable.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Right now yes. But what is the reason? 7 or 8 years ago, the reason the White Sox weren't scoring runs was the hitting coach according to many here. He resigned. Praise the Lord. How is that offense? If KW goes to Toronto, or on a Love Boat cruise, it really wouldn't bother me, but to blame him for this failure is silly. To blame 'loyalty" is silly. There have been plenty of changes in the organization the last several years. Pretty much everyone but KW and Cooper weren't in those positions when the Sox won the WS. I understand writing a blog could be walking on eggshells as the White Sox do grant some favors. But if this article isn't about it's time for JR to sell or KW to take a walk, then it's accuracy is a bit off. Basically your answer to everything is that no one can be accountable for failure in a large organization because some poster some years ago made an argument against Greg Walker.

Seriously, so tired of this debate. It seems everyone in the suburbs thinks the stadium would be built next door. What if sox park was built in bridge view by toyota park, is that soooo much more convenient to get to? After all, it's in the "burbs"!

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Putnam is grossly underperforming given his stuff. No idea why people would want to sell so low on him. I don't think we're selling low on him. He has a great k rate and is playing in front of the worst defense in the league. I'm sure most teams understand his value.

Not sure if anyone caught Dan Hayes on lawrence holmes last night, but he said he's not sure sox will get anything more than a b prospect for smarj.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) This team could use a guy like Showalter. Buck would be just the right voice for this club. Too bad he's in Baltimore. If anyone could solve fundemental issues and change a culture, it would be Buck. I'll be honest, as much as it cringes me, I'd also fully support Dusty Baker (I realize he runs pitchers into the ground, but he's also been a pretty consistent winner despite his hatred for all things sabs). Won a lot in San Fran, won with the Cubs (hard to do), and then again with the Reds (who thought he didn't do enough, so they got rid of him, and then the Reds turned into a bigger dumpster fire). Okay so Baker probably isn't the actual solution, but I think even more so in this era of pitching, the AL is going to have to adjust and move to a more NL style of play. That 1 run makes a much larger difference in an ERA where runs are down and therefore the execution, the baserunning, the little things that became so watered down in the steroid era (and even more waterdown in the AL where the DH's were the most fully loaded roiders around) are now so critical and a lot of these AL squads just aren't as schooled in it or the philosphies still seem to be a bit in the stoneage. Sox philosophy sure seems like it. The pitching and belief to have strong pitching, we can all agree with. But we have lousy baserunning and lousy defense. To me, that is inexcusable without having some massive clotters out their who can out homer everyone. Very much agree with everything here.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) It just seems everything stalls once guys get on base. This would be our tremendous lack of power and reliance on stringing 4-5 singles in an inning to score runs.

Jonathan strange'a last episode was awesome

Love it. Would be unreal to get this .820 OPS for real in the majors.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) It's too it has to end this way, because Alexi has had a pretty good career with Sox, but if he is still here next year, there will be more complaining about him, because he will probably be worse, not better in 2016. I don't think it's possible he could be worse

I feel like if Saladino were a cardinal he'd have a decent 8 year career. I do not have hope for him on our team.

Why wouldn't putting too much innings on pitchers coming back from major injuries be a bad thing?

I was actually pretty impressed DEN got a 1st for him.

Seems like we'd need Carroll up if we have both EJ and Danks. I doubt either could consistently go 7ip

Absolutely no to alvarez

Wow, just looked at Micah's stats.

I expect to be underwhelmed.

Oh, right, forgot about holmberg

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 08:12 AM) No but I wasn't excited to trade our top 2 pitching prospects for a 5.16 ERA and 1.49 WHIP and pick up high salary either when marginally in the race....yet Ken Williams did just that. So we'll see. What trade was this?

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 07:42 AM) Agree good read. I think he over-values a 2 month renta. The Blue Jay trade has them giving their #2 , 9 and 10th prospects. If Toronto could sign Shark i would agree that sounds realistic. My prediction is some team's 3-5 and 15-20 and I assume that is a team with a good group of prospects like Toronto. To be fair the sox also give up Putnam who has been pretty dominant in the pen.