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Good lord.

Eh, yeah. Even when you go look at 2002 which was baad, you can rationalize the few solid players. This looks better than that but that bad reaaally was bad there. I don't even see many of those staying in the league much past this year.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 08:43 PM) I've never said they can't complain. They have every right to be upset. I'll all for them being upset. All i'm asking is why don't they respond similarly to other dead kids who die from unnecessary violence. It just seems like there's more of an uproar when there's a cop/non-black person involved. Also, I read an AP story that the gun went off inside the police car. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/guide-devel...police-shooting Obviously not much is known yet about what actually happened, but if that's true, that probably supports the cops story that there was a fight first and the kid then fled. Still gotta wonder if shooting was an appropriate response though. Probably not, if he was a person many states wouldn't consider that self defense due to the kid fleeing. It's likely that there was some portion where the officer is trying to put brown into the car and brown escapes. Perhaps cop fell into car in that scenario and shot from there. Some people said he tried grabbing this kid while still in the car, so it's going to be hard to know unless video exists. Just a situation that quite clearly escalated to a point it should not have.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 06:56 PM) you were fooling yourself if you actually believed that the NBA would allow the Clippers to leave LA. Red headed stepchild of LA or not, they are in LA, the NBA loves that. I think eventually Seattle gets a franchise back, by expansion or moving. I didn't think Clippers were moving, but for past 5 years Ballmer has been the potential owner to bring back team to seattle. Now he's tied to a team in LA and got the team by agreeing to stay.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 06:32 PM) The post might have been absurd, but the meaning is there. The black community would benefit way more from solving black on black crime, versus police brutality. The numbers aren't even close. If this much "effort" was put into that, way more young black lives would be saved. If police brutality (which is more than murder cases) were removed, community trust in police would probably help solve the crime rates. But, again, if police brutality is wrong, than people can object to it. I think we all agree police brutality is wrong... but sorry, St. Louis, you can't complain about police brutality and murdering of people until these people who are black in Detroit and Chicago solve their violence problem. Why? Because, they too are black, and so you are also black, and must answer for the violence of the predominantly black neighborhoods. You can't have the dessert of protesting police brutality until you eat your vegetables of solving crime. Want help? Just ask the police? Oh they are harassing you? Perhaps you should solve your communities crime!

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 07:07 PM) I don't live in those areas. I've never been shot at. I've never lost a family member or friend to that kind of violence. I'm in a completely different world from them. So in a sense, you're right, I shouldn't judge them. But it's also not really "my" problem to solve. Okay, so...why bring it up in this thread? Have their been sympathy riots in Detroit and Chicago over this?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 05:27 PM) Black mold in the ceiling of my detached garage. Big deal or no? Kinda depends how the moisture got in there. Moisture has a lot more ways to enter a garage than a house, if it's just from normal usage, you can probably just clean it down with bleach. If it is coming in from outside leak, you probably need to address that.

I kind of hate that Seattle's best chance is over.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) I don't see why. The black community in Chicago is pretty apathetic these days about the violence going on (as is every other group). I'm not saying EVERYONE, but as a whole there seems to be a general shrug of the shoulder when it happens here. I understand it's different when a cop shoots an innocent kid (allegedly). But a dead kid is a dead kid. It shouldn't happen, no matter who the shooter is. And they should be getting just as pissed off at the kids taking over their streets as they are at the cops. You are putting impossible standards on people that you don't put on yourself. For one, "I don't see why. The black community in Chicago is pretty apathetic these days about the violence going on (as is every other group)." This is ridiculous. There are many non-violence marches. There are many groups that are organized trying to help. These neighborhoods very much care, they are living it. There was a huge stop the violence rally that I only knew about because that same weekend an organizer was shot on her porch, for whatever reason, coverage of these is not a big deal, but it is there. You don't really seem to have your finger on the pulse of these communities, so to take a swipe at them for no real reason in something that doesn't have anything to do with them is silly. An instrument of the state killing a citizen without due process undermines the rule of law. If people can't believe in that then everything disintegrates. It should be a very big deal, especially when so few policeman in these cases ever get charged. But, to your standards, nobody can be outraged lest they live in a violence free neighborhood. When I was in college, cops were trying to break up a party, so the people who lived there locked everyone in. When it seems like they had left, people started leaving. The guy who lived there opened up the door and saw police, and tried to rush out past them. It was a situation that very easily could have been wrapped up as assault of an officer. He was obnoxious, he had shouldered one and fell over, taking one with. I've thought about that a lot. What if the cops had responded with huge force, choke holds, gun shots. They very well could have said a police officer was assaulted, he reached for their gun. But it also could have been , as it was, diffused. He was a white stoner kid. You'd see drunk bros talk back to cops, fights broken up that all could have seen this happen, and be "justified". And just thinking about how I would have reacted to see deadly force used, I wouldn't be looting but most all aren't looting. But they are pissed and they should be.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) It'd be great if the black communities in St. Louis, Detroit, Chicago, etc. responded with this much energy when black kids are killed senselessly by other black kids. This is such a stupid, stupid post.

I'm not doubting that Stewart knew there was a crashed car there, but that wasn't exactly the hazard. It was the driver who ran down half the track right as he was getting out of the turn.

caution flag, slow down to 60 mph, coming around a turn with a car in your face, car turns suddenly, human on track, hey I just crashed him and he's angry, I know, accelerate quickly and kick dirt in his face and try to get wheel to turn near him and aand and yeah that's like .8 seconds we are talking about.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 11, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) It is strange it was Stewart who hit him and not the others that apparently saw him. Stewart has walked on a track befor, himself, even throwing his helmet at a car. I don't think he tried to hit the kid, but scare him, most definitely. The guy belongs in jail, and the deceased's family should get some of his $70 million bank. It was a dick move gone bad. I'm sorry, but in the video, the victim starts off fairly high in the track and then runs to about the middle of the lane. There was only 1 other vehicle that was in a similar position to Stewart, and it looked like it barely missed the victim as well.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 11, 2014 -> 08:11 PM) And to ride high on the track in the direction of the confrontation during a caution? You have no idea how high he was in relation to other drivers from that camera view. You only know that he was very slightly higher than the car immediately before him, and that his rear back right tire hit the victim.

Wow that paywall/whatever it is is annoying.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 11, 2014 -> 05:28 PM) http://abc7chicago.com/news/parade-organiz...olence-/251581/ I sorta understand their frustration, that positive stories are pushed aside for negative ones, but come on. People were shot standing adjacent to the parade route. Of course that's going to be the lead when the media covers the parade. I hear your second paragraph but I also get where they are coming from. WGN news, whenever they do the "facebook feedback" on violence, there are always comments about how those communities should be marching against violence and trying to take their streets back. But...they are. A lot. It's just not covered. And then there is a huge parade that is covered and all that comes out of it is nearby shootings.

I was really sad to see the town go up. Lots of peaceful protests throughout the weekend, then this happens on Sunday night late? Few old classmates from Ferguson, they can't believe it went up like this. Really sad, hope this is the last of it. As for the police officers story, not shocked the one size fits story of "tried to grab gun" comes out. It is almost certain this kid tried to flee arrest. It is very very uncertain that there is a scenario here that required such use of force.

Bennett back in camp, BDP knee is okay.

Would be nice to get NCAA football franchise back next year.

Thanks for the hot sports takes from Rozner and Abbattocola

Here's the thing, the "other cars slowed and avoided him" thing is misleading in that video. He is standing high on that track for most of the cars then sprints to the middle, at which the first car very nearly does hit him. So only two cars were in a similar situation and one hit him.

So, the special teams. I've read a bit recently that Decamillis' system is complicated and may be reason foe the mistakes. If that's the case, maybe don't use a complicated system on the part of the team with 70% turnover every year. He's awful.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Aug 10, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) Right now, this definitely seems like the best guess at what happened. EDIT: Even if that's true, recklessness is still a felony murder in most jurisdictions. It's not manslaughter. I feel like the recklessness bar will be pretty high considering the guy ran toward a racecar on a race track. Not like it's an open street.

Awful news this Ferguson, Mo shooting. And then the shutting down of crowds with all the best of American militarized police gear.

QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 10, 2014 -> 02:31 PM) I meant people in general who say they think there was intent. Especially hit with the back tight tire and that the guy kept walking toward him. Does not seem as clear cut as Twitter believes.