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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:51 PM) We all know that the above scenario will never happen. LeBron will get his way. It really bothers me still that the cavs were allowed to fail so miserably into championship consideration.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:46 PM) They want to get the most they can, so they make sure this "offer" gets out there, and sit back and wait to see if the Cavs or some other team is willing to top it. Just saying, "we'll take it" isn't maximizing their return unless they have exhausted all their other options. If this offer is real and Minnesota is satisfied, and sure this is the max, they would have accepted it. They want to see if they can get more. Do you really think if on the day before training camp opens and Love is still a T-Wolf, Flip tells Gar he will take the deal, Gar would say too late? Honestly? Maybe. Maybe Gar will just try to roll the dice in free agency. Salary cap may jump huge next year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 07:27 PM) I understand that, but exactly how does cutting the auction short help Minnesota? I understand if they really like this Bulls deal and think it would be off the table. But even Gar/Pax aren't that dumb. When LeBron agreed, decisions had to be made, there were back up plans. It's not like the Bulls can easily send this package for another star. It's pretty much Love or bust for a few teams. It doesn't help minnesota with anything other than "they were offered a nice package from love" and they can accept it. For the Bulls, I think in their minds they've put their chips in, they are making a run, and if they don't get it, they are rolling with their original plan of depth.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:22 PM) This whole 30 days thing is moot. Deals get done before they can be made official all the time. LeBron's "decision" four years ago happened before he was even officially traded to Miami. They can come to terms five minutes from now on a contract that's executable 29 days from now. Right.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:10 PM) Good. Bulls have nothing to lose here and everything to gain. Although I have a question...if the Bulls couldn't get Melo the 96 million dollar max even with moving Taj, how are they going to sign Love to a max deal next year? Just hope the cap number goes up enough? I believe bird rights would transfer.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) Maybe he did, but to think if Minnesota came back a month or 2 from now and said they would make the deal, and Gar says it's no longer on the table, is laughable. Honestly, I don't think it is. Bulls will need to fill out the team with vets if this takes place. They will be a lot more limited in 2 months, or minnesota will need to send more back to fill out the roster with more than 10 day contracts.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:02 PM) Actually, not a fan of either so how am I a Bennett fan for telling posters they're being too harsh on a player who was hurt and was overweight in his ROOKIE season? I just basically said I wasn't about to call him a bust for the rest of his career. Big man with weight issues, no concern there.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 05:51 PM) I could see a team, especially as conservative as the bulls, giving a deadline for their offer. I don't think they'd want a distraction for a long period of time. Hell, KC Johnson was interviewing taj all morning. Sun-Times Basketball ‏@suntimes_hoops 6m Per source: Forman put a deadline on TWolves response so that there isn’t this back-and-forth playing the Cavs and Bulls against each other. Forman be like "get outta my miiind"

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) I agree it probably drags out but they could agree now since any deal is likely on Love resigning. If he does so now the agreement will leak. I could see a team, especially as conservative as the bulls, giving a deadline for their offer. I don't think they'd want a distraction for a long period of time. Hell, KC Johnson was interviewing taj all morning.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:24 PM) I'm not a Love fan, simple as that. Is he a top 5, not IMO. Top 10 yeah, but as great as he is offensively, he's bad defensively. I also think he's a bit of a statpadder, so sue me. His great stats haven't exactly translated to wins, right? You know how many top ten players there are in the NBA? 10. When you have a chance to get one in a position to succeed, you do it.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) This morning Cowley was on M&H and he was scoffing at the possibility of the Bulls pulling this off, and he has done a complete 180 on it, even so far as to say he should have bet against himself. This really has become interesting. What's that? Sinking guy, irrational exhuberance? yes, it's the moment right before bulls fans hopes get crushed. Because it is 2 weeks since our roster took shape, I'm conflicted. I've already convinced myself this team can win a championship and that Snell will be MVP...now I have to go back to thinking about what it would be like with 3 players who could be top 5 in mvp voting....so tough

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) Honestly, I'm calling bulls*** on this one. McDermott and Mirotic, of what we know, is extremely an extremely strong starting offer. I wouldn't have thought so probably because I assumed that would be a package for so long, but have been surprised how much national media is taking that seriously. Oh NBA offseason, right as I'm almost out, you pull me back in.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 05:39 PM) I think you guys are being way too harsh on AB. He was clearly hurt last year and was overweight. He's slimmed down and has recovered from his shoulder injury. He has alot of talent, he may never turn out to be the player an overall number one pick should be but I believe he'll become at least a solid PF. To the guy who posted that he'd think hard about a Hinrich/Bennett trade, lol, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I love how you act like Kevin Love who averages 26-12-5 in a loaded conference for PFs is overhyped and not worth any talent offered for him, but wax poetically about Anthony Bennett and all these players who've done nothing in the league.

I think Wiggins being a #2 to Lebron is the best thing that can happen to him. I saw a lot of leadership out of Melo his year at Syracuse. I saw a lot of leadership out of Lebron right away, and at high school. AD, rose, etc. in their freshman years. I didn't get that out of Wiggins. He's this big, freakish talent that didn't will himself into games in a pretty down college bball season.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) So basically, no matter what comes out of the KLove situation, at this point the Bulls are securing some type of win. Because I don't feel like the bulls will land Love (and despite my earlier clamoring, even I feel somewhat uncomfortable treating these players like that. It's one thing to trade Mirotic's rights, it's another to debut him with a press conference and then trade him 2 weeks later), to me best case scenario is wolves keeping love and losing him for nothing to LA/Bos next summer.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:53 PM) No argument there. I still don't know why things would be so different with Love than Bosh when Bosh was very clearly a better post player than Love. Maybe it was bad coaching. I don't know. Bosh was oddly inconsistent in Miami. Maybe it was being used so differently than Toronto, but some games he would do that and they were incredible. But it seemed like it was rarely in the playoffs. Maybe it was like what we see with bulls. Some inspired offensive play by Noah/Taj, and then Rose gets on the floor and it's like they just watch.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:26 PM) Lebron did it because he had to? Chris Bosh took 56% of his shots within 10 feet his last year with Toronto because that was much more of his game. Lebron needs floor spacers because he's much more effective around the rim than most everybody else. This is why Bosh became a stretch 4. I don't know why they would take Love, a guy who isn't nearly as effective around the rim as Bosh was in Toronto, let alone Lebron, and make him play in the post. I'm not talking about the 80% of the game where Love will be sitting 15-20 feet on the outside, I'm talking about the 20% of the game, or 1 game in 5 where defense has clamped down on their perimeter and James has gone down low, collapsed the defense on him and opened up easier shots while banging down low. He doesn't do that all game, he's mostly driving on a weak matchup and finishing. That's not a post game, which is what I'm talking about. Love can play that role going down low, and distributing, because he's a really good passer, and is a good enough threat down low. He's at least much more of a sure bet to help with those duties than Andy and Tristan Thompson.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) Well short? Meh. Mirotic is not exactly a slouch. Maybe not talent wise, but the contracts Minnesota is getting is going to allow them to build a team around them. (or, they'll strike out on all FA's like the hawks).

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:02 PM) Lebron is much more likely to be the post guy. I totally disagree. I think Lebron did it because he had to, but it (rightfully) wears him out. And the older he gets the harder it will be for him to take that role every night. Obviously, Rose (edit: Rose? I meant love) is a stretch 4, but he can absolutely go down low and distribute well, not Lebron well, but well.

Did we cut Rodon yet?

You know what Lebron's not going to want to do as he gets older? Bang in the post. You know who can take over those duties for him? Love. Love can play the high low fun game for him. The dude is averaging 26-12-4.5 on 46% shooting and 38% shooting from three as the man on that team. Bosh shot 30% from 3. his volume of shots will go down, but likely his interior shooting will go up with teams prepping to collapse on Lebron help OR he provides incredible spacing for Lebron because unlike Bosh, teams legitimately need to defend his 3s. Wiggins may well be great but nobody is going to laugh that you traded for a guy with Charles Barkley numbers.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:19 AM) Are we so sure about the extent to which Kyrie is a better HORSE player than Rubio? Are you serious?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 04:02 AM) gmab. Kevin Garnett had mostly crap around him and had to go up against the shaq/kobe lakers, prime duncan spurs, webber/peja/divac kings, dirk/nash mavs, portland was pretty good from what i remember and still made the playoffs every year outside of a couple. I like love a lot. But he's become overrated ever since LeBron went back to cleveland. He's a net-minus defensively and doesn't do anything to make guys better around him. I personally don't give up a potential t-mac on offense, paul george on defense for him. Dang, so Wiggins is like, the next Scottie Pippen it sounds like.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 02:24 AM) What bothers me is if the sox even remotely show life against Chen, now you gotta face their pen. Whereas the Sox have Javy Guerra lighting the infield on fire Yeah, well could be worse. You could have all that young talent this board could dream of, a lights out bullpen, a borderline number one, and be only 1 game up on the team with Scott Carroll and Javy guerra pitching.

I like watching this team but I can't stomach watching cy Chen dominate us again.