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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 02:50 PM) What happens to MJD in the 1st scenario? I like the starting lineup of the 1st team more. 2nd team with a better bench but part of that is because I dont' know what happened to MJD (S&T?). I would presume if we did S&T MJD in scenario 1, it would have been for some form of a back-up big. The bulls are capped out. Gasol makes less money than Lance. In order to open up more space, MDJ is only logical player, snell/butler less likely. Lance + Greg Smith - Gasol = a bit less than MDJ contract.

QUOTE (Wedge @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) This might be a really dumb question, but what sorts of things is Thibs going to do when both Gasol and Noah are on the court at the same time? I know Gasol isn't considered a great defensive big, but I think the pairing should be pretty solid defensively. But what about offensively? What sort of sets can they run when they're on the court together? Just once, ONCE, just for kicks, I'd love to see Gasol run a pick and roll with Noah.

Assuming the following: Boozer could not be moved and is amnestied The McDermott trade happens exactly as it did (Randolph included) Hinrich signs Does soxtalk prefer: Rose-Hinrich Stephenson - Snell Butler - Doug Taj - Mirotic Noah - Greg Smith or the current Rose-Hinrich Butler-Snell Dunleavy-Mcdermott Gasol-Taj-Mirotic Noah-Gasol ????

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 03:13 PM) Stevenson screwed that up royally. He left a lot of money on the table by rejecting the Pacers last offer. In a world where Marvin Williams gets $7 million, I'm amazed 23-year old Lance Stephenson only gets $9 per. I have to say, I think there was a lot of GM chatter about Stephenson.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:20 PM) You're better than this. Doug isn't playing SG and that nickname is turrable. I think referring to Jimmy noBUckets.

I assume by including George you are talking about ... wait Paul George. Paul George is not better than Kevin Love. Paul George isn't even a top ten player. You think Paul George is better than Westbrook? Howard? Davis? Love? You are nuts. This board is so stupidly against Kevin Love just because Felix was annoying.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:24 PM) ZZZ It was never about whether McDermott could score, it has always been about what is the plan when you add Mirotic, Gasol, McDermott and dont really address other needs. But if McDermott is playing PG/SG that is something to discuss, otherwise the guy who was a great scorer in college should continue to be a great scorer going up against similar college level talent. He's updating the thread with relevant Bulls news, you are arguing with nobody right now.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:16 PM) Dougie McBuckets looking good again. Quick release, doesn't need a lot of room to get his shot off. 13 points at the half...3/5 from 3. Thanks. Didn't know they were playing a day game, hope there is a replay. If you are watching, let me know if Billy Baron does anything fun.

Boozer the man was awesome, and as a teammate he was awesome. His contract unfortunately sucked when he found he could no longer jump. But as hype man he was one of the best.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 09:00 PM) His PER last few seasons: 13-14: 3 11-12: 5 10-11: 4 Outside if the 3 obvious players, I don't see 2 others with a great argument over Love for being top 5. At worst he's 6th or 7th. I really hope that's his ranking in PER and not his actual PER.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 08:16 PM) I agree with this. Dunleavy is pretty good but having him and McDermott is counterproductive. I am also of the mindset that Mirotic needs to be playing. I would be very interested in trading Taj and Dunleavy to upgrade the wing and SG positions. Taj is a nice player. He is a good rotation big that plays really good defense. However, Taj makes $8 million, is going to be 30 years old, and the team just signed Pau Gasol and Nikola Mirotic. $8 million really isn't that much, and he's one of the best defensive power forwards in the game, he can also play the 5 if called upon. The bulls love him too much. They just doubled down on including him with Melo at the cost of much more reasonable cap space, they aren't going to trade him because of "excess" for a guard now.

I wouldn't do the Nate trade either. I do wonder what Denver would ask for, though, but at this point MDJ is our only salary piece we can really trade now that we've renounced all NGCs.

Question: Would you trade dunleavy to Denver for Nate Robinson, coming off of an injury, and creating a hole at SF?

The problem is Wiggins is likely the 2nd best defender on Cleveland already. Lebron is going to need to pull defensive weight on that team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 08:16 PM) I'm not an expert, but that would be pretty tough to do, I believe. Do you list specific injuries? Grades of injuries? What is stop a team from drafted an injured player intentionally with the idea of saving a huge chunk of cap space to give to overslot players down the draft board? Who decides if an injury is severe enough to qualify for this? It would be pretty brutal to draw up the guidelines. Again, if only Major League Baseball had some sort of arbitration infrastructure in place to deal with these issues. I don't know that you need specific injury guidelines but you absolutely should have due process in place.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 06:52 PM) Obviously, but the question continues to be whether you continue to hold him assuming that the Cavs refuse to part with Wiggins. If Thompson/WIggins are never offered, then yes, I would hold him until midseason.

How was this not standardized?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) The Wolves have s*** and they know it. They're going to have Andrew Wiggins soon enough and be in full-on rebuild mode. That's why you give them the picks to take Boozer while also taking the contract they're trying to toss into every Love deal in Kevin Martin. If they do trade Love, I'd much rather roll with Rubio-Martin-Wiggins-Pekovic-Dieng than Rubio-Lavine/Wiggins-Wiggins/Dunleavy - Boozer-Pekovic. They don't particularly seem to care about picks. They want to keep Love the way Portland kept Aldridge.

The players association should be pushing for at least this to go to an independent arbiter. This is crazy there is no real process for this player right now. Also, flameon, but, does anyone think this would happen to a Boras client?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 06:30 PM) I sure hope the Bulls are trying to solve their guard issues right now creatively. Boozer + Dunleavy + Kings Pick + unprotected 2015 1st + a whatever else is needed contract-wise to get Kevin Martin from the Timberwolves, whom no one wants. I don't care if he doesn't get to the line 8 times per game anymore, we could still use that 3 point threat on the roster. You have to make a move to make THIS TEAM better. Our window is at most 2 more years with Noah reaching 30 and Pau being old. Get creative for f***'s sake. Nobody is taking boozer, but also they then couldn't sign Pau, and the Wolves already have Love and Pekovic as offensive forwards who cannot guard. That would not really get Bulls anywhere. Also, I'm not really wanting to become the Knicks trading away our draft picks at every turn just to dump players.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) Talk about no floor spacing. Yes a few of those guys can make mid range j's but yeesh. The world would look a lot brighter if Jimmy could go back to being a 38% 3point player.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) On the flip side, if Aiken has had an independent physical done and there is something incredibly wrong with him, he'd be insane not to take the money at this point. This has to be the resolution to me. If Aiken has physical and shows limited damage I feel like there should be some sort of arbitration process.

I think Snell is the interesting player regarding McDermott. Say McDermott is competent and not godawful and people want to see him play*****. He looks to be only behind MDJ on the depth at 3. But that assume Jimmy playing guard. If Snell is truly better at 3pt, ballhandling, and D, Thibs may try to take advantage of Jimmy at the 3 more often. If Snell sucks, we have horrible guard depth, for one, but for two, we still have likely game-finish lineups of rose-hinrich-butler-taj-noah (yuck). So McDermott will likely be a 2nd unit-second quarter player for quite a while unless he pushes himself out there. ******for J4L

I just wish they were only used for injury reports. Their insight into what players are saying to eachother are always worthless "And Brady walked over to him and said 'Let's go get it', back to you John". I used to hate Siragusa, who seemed to only pop in to talk about sausages in the crowd, but recently I think he's been better. He adds some insight on what holes opened up, etc. They should try to implement more of those.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) He just goes to college if he doesn't sign. Which is pretty dumb IMO. I believe he has to wait 2 years and with how hard he throws it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he meets tommy john in those 2 years and doesn't end up getting close to what he could have got this year. Aiken doesn't throw THAT hard.