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Sadly I think this is not necessarily a reflection of the fans being overzealous as much as not trusting the F.O. at all and hoping they go based off of resume/best org. The best-run franchises of late have been hiring former players/internal managers. I don't think any Sox fan trusts the sox to know the good interpersonal skills people for that. So instead, you'd point to: Melvin (no brainer), Kevin Cash (bullpen coach for Francona), Cora (WS bench coach though obviously a down year). I think even in recent history, the first Ozzie hire was very popular. Sox fans from my memory were obsessed with that Marlins team (not surprising, it slayed the Yankees and Cubs) and he was their 3b coach and popular former player. Manuel didn't work out, but I don't think anyone has a problem with trying out a 3b coach from the mid 90s expos and then Leyland's WS Marlins. So I guess when our off-resume signings fail, I think fans want to go back to the IBM of coaching candidates. You would think Hahn/JR/KW would also feel that way, but JR at this point prioritizes conformity and congeniality to winning.

I think you buy the trenches, and am a bit more confident now that Mike Evan’s will be available this offseason.

I don't think so, I was surprised too but because of his salary and basically everyone planning for regression I think bears would have taken a 3rd for quinn instead of trading Mack for a 2.

I love paul konerko but like, the way he approached 2014 (from stories I've heard) wasn't exactly Yadi/Pujols-like exit. I say this as someone who was creeped out by the church of Yadi, but I think you'd be crazy not to see if he'd want to jump into managing soon.

I still am a little annoyed treating Willie Harris in the same vein as "well they are already here" guys like Getz/Thome/Ozzie to an extent. He has a pretty classic trajectory right now. He's done it in multiple orgs, Starting in sox but then going to Giants, Reds and then Cubs as the 3rd base coach. Some of those aren't winning orgs but ...it's the bench coaches. By all accounts he still brings a lot of energy and is well-liked. You could do a lot worse. I'll say again, you can't retrofit a smarter organization on top of the sox just by hiring someone from the astros. Of the duties a manager is responsible for, Harris seems like a competent choice.

Also loved when him and Soto(?) showed up in LA to cheer on Max Scherzer last year.

I’m pro Kevin long but pretty sure he is not a pro analytics guy so prepare yourselves for that. He is a phenomenal hitting coach, however.

because teams have been blitzing the edge to force him in the pocket, so if you bring in help, you are rolling out with only one or so options.

Yeah, especially the scouting director/player dev seminars. Very fun for nerds like me.

So much for my “belicheck will figure it out” heuristic. Very happy that Bears look like this after a bye. Excellent job by the bears staff. Major major growth tonight.

The stadium is burning down and we’re like “should they grab the bucket or the garden hose? No, no they wont grab the gasoline can right?”

Not a lot of competition for Thome or Getz right now and you know how JR feels about competing against himself.

Every NPL developed pitcher screams arm issues.

I mean also that is just a sweet job, and when the Cardinals have moved on it's hard to point to where they've been wrong. Matheny was fired, he gets gobbled up by the Royals and ...yeah he was terrible. They were right. Schildt comes in, has the same success everyone has in STL, but they relied on the wild card last year. This year they slayed the central and didn't need to win a miracle number of games straight to do it. Hard to say they were wrong. It's not impressive to win in STL.

This is where I agree. We all know the sox aren't going to hire the best guy for the job. But at least getz will remove some of Hahn's obfuscation on whether the team would be performing better if it followed more of his offices edicts. That's helpful! I think hahn is absolute trash as a GM, but many are convinced TLR caused many of the teams faults last year and was at odds with Hahn. Well, Getz would remove that obstacle and align more of the player dev instructs to the major league level, and has a better rapport with Hahn. If they succeed, Hahn can say I told you so. If they fail, there is one less mirror he can use. I guess what I'm saying is we're already dying and this may get us to peace faster.

At least my long shot of tampa falling off a cliff and them deciding to blow it up and rebuild by trading Mike Evans is still somewhat alive.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Willie Harris. He's put in his dues managing, a couple of orgs thought highly of him now. Relative to their timidity to hiring outside voices, he's an outsider.

I knew he was in the org, I had no idea that he was the assistant director of PD. Good lord.

So I think...I think what I'm reading is ...there is one category of superior good results who have emigrated. They are juveniles. They have done it lately.

See this to me is the optimistic take. How could JR/Hahn/KW not look at where they are ending up and not at least have that inkling that they are truly at end times here.

This is a good line and I support it, but personally I fault him the least for that. Like I would still fire him, but I might still let him work for a few weeks on salary while he updates his resume.

I do think it's possible Getz succeeds. When viewed from a league perspective, White Sox Player Development has only been able to keep up to the mid to bottom half distribution of teams. But on the other hand, this has been a time of revolution in the application and technology of player development. Viewed within the isolation of a white sox front office employee, it probably seems like Getz is like Thomas Edison. Completely bewildering, but he also still likes him. That's great! I could see it working. Getz does seem competent. I think it would be hard to install any one amazing person below hahn and expect a league leading result. Like say you bring in some guy from tampa to run PD, they are going to run into the fact that our scouting heads are completely autonomous and won't take any guidance on building a cohesive machine. Everyone runs their kingdom, and everyone keeps their jobs by not trying to take over anyone elses kingdom. But, Getz may be able to align Major League philosophies with some of the success of, say, an Andy Barkett. We really did see some progress. If you are Hahn, an incompetent but sadly not stupid man, you know this team is going to rely a lot on younger talent because you've spent all your money on bullpen men with great leadership qualities. You want a manager from a top org where they are used to alignment between front office teaching and major league teaching. But that will be seen as a power play internally. So Getz does get you a similar dynamic. If we are ranking who from the org could be the best hire, I'd still put Thome 1, getz would be 2, and jirschele 3. Jirschele may actually be 2. He really always had the most competent farm teams despite sometimes atrocious rosters. Birmingham to start the year looked worse than charlotte, and yet.

Yes. Though without having pulled in a successful Thibs tenure. In some ways Getz would be the best hire here. In the arc of all this, it would be hard to see it as anything but the end. Getz can get to unanimous support because there will be high suspicions of any outsider coming in and perhaps being honest that some of their ways need changing. That's scary, especially if they say so publicly. Getz would know the game. But it's also at this point so pure of a JR operation there is no possible scapegoating when it fails. Sure, they will all try to blame the labor, but it could all end up so embarrassing even Bob Nightengale may start indicating the white sox aren't doing fabulous. That sounds a lot like Boylen, who clearly was lockstep with Paxson and Forman. Paxson deked like he may be able to sacrifice Forman as the goat, and that may well happen to Hahn, but just as likely is they all get tired of being pathetic and just want to retire as a rich person that gets to float around baseball. It does sound better.

I do think somehow, even at current levels, it is underrated how bad Hahn is here at soxtalk.

The nfl has just been crazy to me this year. I’ve been wrong about so many teams so far. Seahawks/Falcons way better than I thought, Saints/Raiders/Broncos/Chargers worse or much worse than I thought. And then the “haha look how stupid they are” sentiments of nfl media like the pats offense are already at least more muted. That said if you just stuck with the classics like “belicheck always figured it out” “Reid will figure it out” “Howie roseman is always right” you’d not be bothered by any of this.