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Everyone can rest easy, the teams we are ostensibly competing against are about to add a top 3 player in baseball, but we can sign a bum ass conforto for next year in hopes he is good value.

I'll give him this, he doesn't hit ground balls. But if we go after underperforming hitters I'd rather have upside power.

Putting Perez below hackenberg feels like you are trolling me smh

This year I've been happily in let-it-ride mode and not as worried about rankings. I'm not gonna think too hard here, just gonna put my fingers on the keyboards and see how it falls 1. Colson Montgomery 2. Lenyn Sosa 3. Noah Schultz 4. Christian Mena 5. Norge Vera 6. Bryan Ramos 7. Peyton Pallette 8. Oscar Colas 9. Jose Rodriguez 10. Sean Burke

Completely out on conforto

Adding Juan Soto to the Sox makes us the angels got it. What are we now?

He's a big giant man that's hitting 60% ground balls when he plays. He doesn't need to be josh donaldson but he needs to get more fly balls.

Poor guy.

or preller asks you about a recently signed 16 year old ? but if sox aren't going to try to use Eloy correctly, give him to someone who will in exchange for parts to get the un-fuck-uppable Juan Soto.

I know that's what Boras said, but I don't think that's what it will take. The Nats have an extremely strong relationship with Boras. They didn't give that contract to boras thinking he'd sign. They did it for ass covering. They offered a record breaking contract, and a strong offer. They knew before it was offered that wouldn't get it done. Now they get to say "hey, we tried, he said no" and boras gets to say "we said no to this extremely high number". But would soto turn down the apples to apples numbers o what I did? I highly doubt it.

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The yankees are on pace for like 120 wins. They aren't going to play around like that when they are the yankees and everyone else are not.

k yes I'm guessing the lack of depth in AA/AAA has definitely raised alarms, but I don't know I'd also get easy comp pics.

The yankees would never do that lol. The yankees may very well get soto, but they aren't trading out Judge this year.

I remember same was said about Betts. "He's testing FA no matter what!" We know what Soto wants. He just turned down an offer to get the most guaranteed money of all time. He said no. He wants guaranteed money + highest AAV. He wants precedent. Boras wants precedent. You give him 13 years $475 gives you 36.5 Mill / yr and highest guarantees ever. It doesn't beat Scherzer but we know that. Does that get it done? You may need to go to 13 years $500 mill ($38 mill). That gives you the WOW round number. That gives you the highest position player AV. I guarantee he doesn't turn that down and goes for FA with 2 years riding on health.

You can't give up Popeye, he's our future

I would say no, but my grand plan is not to trade eloy but instead Giolito and then go after Perez, in the hopes we sign a pitcher in 2022-3 class which looks great. And trade Giolito + for pieces to get Soto, and then trading Eloy to get Perez all feels like too much of a shakeup. But if sox go to Giolito and say this is our best long-term offer, and he declines, you can then trade him. I mean...I'd trade him to the Mariners.

Basically gets you to bidding of Montgomery, Vera, Harrison, Bailey, Colas OR Mario Camilletti You've subtracted $12 million. Can you trade now for Corbin too? That gets you closer. Not there. I think you probably need a better trade than I got you from Eloy haha

Jesus I meant Harrison, Bailey +

Eloy is completely cost controlled. His options are team options and he never has an annual cost that exceeds AJ Pollock. He was still a league average hitter last year and still has potential someone will bet on out of a team that preaches ground balls. I would say a team like the giants would go after Eloy. I could see the Rangers going after Eloy. Red sox. Orioles. Could they get Kyle Harrison + Patrick Bailey for eloy? I think so, and that adds a top 100 guy, a former first round pick rehab project, and opens up an outfield spot for Pollock/Vaughn.

I wish we could add polls mid thread. Interested to know a breakdown of the thought process of: - I would like the white sox to go after Juan Soto because it is a rare opportunity and he would make a difference (even if I'm aware it is unlikely and jerry does not sign $500mill checks) - I do not want the white sox to go after Soto because if the sox will get fleeced - I do not want the white sox to go after Soto because it isn't a good idea - I feel a need to say it isn't going to happen and need to have an option or else I will just write it out over and over again as if it is very compelling.

this is the fathom I've been waiting for

FRAA, which is the best metric for OF defense, has him as fine and much improved over last year. It certainly doesn't diminish a 135 wRC+ offense on a team starved for it. That's fun with small samples, but it is what it is. He's ok to use in LF. Not ok to ship out because DH is taken. That is a different problem to solve.

I am incredibly pro going after Soto but I just don't see the point if you trade vaughn. Absolutely try to parlay Eloy into parts for Soto, but Vaughn? The point of going all in for soto is not to tread water.

It's too close to a wash. Let's pin Soto as 6.5 WAR, because his defense drags him. Vaughn is dragged by his horrendous RF numbers which he should not be forced into playing. But I'd put him at 2.. Kopech is dragged by IP, but still is safely 2 WAR. That's 4.5. Martin you can't bank on even being positive, much as I like him. but I'll give him 1. That's 3 WAR net positive. But then Soto is likely to break all records for his arb numbers. And kopechs will be hampered by injuries and the very bizarre bias against starting pitchers. Vaughn is still pre-arb. Giolito made 4 million in Arb 1, and had a year as one of the best pitchers in baseball. So Kopech is likely less, maybe $3 mill. Very likely given that he's already at $18mill in arb 2 that soto is looking at $25 mill and $30mill. So that 3 WAR deficit gets further eaten into the amount of WAR you can add for $20mill. For Hahn, that's zero, but really it's at least 2. It's really not worth it, and trading your 135 wRC guy for the solid 155 wRC guy is ...it's just not the reason you trade for a 155 wRC guy.