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but if that total is driven by the extra years...who cares. You will not have Castellanos and Ryu at the 2020 budget of Wheeler (nor 2021) I just don't get this obssession of 2025 as dramatically more important than 2020. You can trade these dudes if you just need money. If you need to recoup good prospects? Then it's an issue.

https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1201624368528478209?s=20

If the sox can't sign the third best pitcher on the FA market after shedding nearly all salary on a 3 year rebuild, then I'm not optimistic. At this point I'm less interested in payroll efficiency than stacking wins. If you want efficiency, don't play FA and you better have a damn good intl operation and PD staff. Sox have neither, so I don't want them saying "oh we would have signed wheeler at 5/100 but 6/120 is too much."

I had not read through this since it didn't seem that impactful but pretty surprised how pointed that Getz statement is compared to what they usually trot out. He must have really not been taking instructions well from PD staff.

Regardless, and I did think fred was a lightweight, he deserved to be able to coach the team with healthy players last year. The crap they threw at him to make it work was ridiculous, and boylen came in and was allowed to sit parker and they removed the redundancies with portis and gave him a wing. He deserved a chance to show his system with that roster.

Well they need to convert galvis into an actual starter, you have to try and remove any sub .300 obp guys from a potential playoff lineup.

They won't need to score that much at least. Looking at what's available, I'm not sure the best use of funds wouldn't be wheeler + re-upping jose iglesias.

Yeah, but after signing a starter over him I can see especially not wanting to go to arb and then have to trash talk him.

Reds should get Didi but feels like votto's going to do all the walking for that lineup.

Yes all of this is correct. The shots around the rim is wild just because watching you wouldn't guess they are getting that many shots. A lot are falling away from the rim or pretty wild shots. Now, who is decent at finishing around the rim? Thad young, who is receiving the fewest minutes since his rookie year. And if those minutes are going to development, it's hard to see that development in this system.

this was my prediction before the offseason, but I also just think this is what happens when about 1/2 of the teams are looking to add, compared to last year which felt like was less than 1/3.

Slightly more than expected (4.9mm)

@Sleepy Harold da god, folks

He's underpaid.

Yeah. I really think Sox should try to use Bummer to see if they can get conforto. Bummer+ Could fit with adding to team, and removing enough salary to make a run at CF with FA or trade.

They drop $50 million off the books next year and likely were insured on cespedes so the lux tax is their only concern (i.e. their expenditures are likely lower than 185). They could easily go past this year and dip next. But if they were truly interested in Hader the idea that they need to dump salary for him is silly. They need a CF and bp help. If they want him they can get him, if they don't than they don't. They shouldn't have any structural money concerns here. But their investment goes past just salaries, their entire org should be revamped.

The cano deal isn’t why mets are in trouble, their owners aren’t putting in the resources that an NY market should because they still have the type of cash problems that people think the ricketts have.

One of the least impressive pitchers in person I’ve ever seen.

I think it was lower, around 9.5.

Relevant re: mets

They have a year, but I imagine hader is going to be enormously expensive in arb. There has been a real disconnect in arb salaries for relievers vs. starters. He's going to be an interesting case.

From latest an mlb roundup in the Athletic, it states that wheeler has the biggest market among starting pitchers (As in # of teams interested/involved)

Per Rosenthal https://theathletic.com/1424759/2019/12/01/rosenthal-josh-hader-faces-a-unique-offseason-red-sox-weigh-jackie-bradley-jr-s-value-phillies-exits-more-notes/ cc @Harold's Leg Lift This tracks a bit with the idea that a Nimmo trade may require someone like Bummer as the mets are adding. The Brodie Van Wagenen thing with former clients definitely seems to be a thing the industry is tracking.

But for budgetary purposes it’s the same group right. They took 5 mill from shareholders this year for an additional 5 next year? It’s a weird trick so it does matter where the Sox “feel” the money was spent. Now that 5 mill comes pretty close to the money saved on the Castillo buyout and Jones contract. Perhaps that is where Hahn did a “look you all expected this amount gone already, let’s put the money toward Abreu this year and have more money on next” But the questions that arise for me is how low is the projected budget for next year that he felt the need to do that?

we just saw two of the most expensive rotations in baseball squaring off in the World Series but yes spending on pitching is a terrible idea.