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I dont' understand how this helps the case. February is the offseason, so adding more months to the total to make it seem like he had more time to develop is silly. Based on the time immediately after the trade, Law discussed with scouts who saw a top 50 prospect. That's not far off from where 1-1 guys tend to go, esp if prep. While with sox...no idea, nobodies heard of him. None of their scouts are doing work because they dont' exist. Tatis appears at padres and is a top 50 player. He didn't suddenly explode in some hidden fall instruct. This was based on his games played immediately after arriving. Tatis was playing in Low-A as a 17 year old and had 5 extra base hits in 12 games. George Wolklow just was promoted to Single A and we are floored. The sox were lazy, their laziness bit them horribly. It was the worst trade of the decade, and completely born out of how the sox are just so so so lazy.

Well, I guess the issue is I did not remember here HOW early that trade was, would have been right as AZ started, and signing J2 he couldn't have played in DSL. STill think that's Spring training + backfields. I just find it too cute to say they had no idea what this player they signed had transformed into.

Maybe the sox didn't know he was a 1-1 draft pick, its true I dont' think they'd have traded him then. Hahn was very protective of his top prospects, I don't think he traded anyone another scout service told him was good. But...I mean what if they'd have just played Tatis in DSL...after they signed him? Why was he not playing in DSL and then ACL/Arizona Rookie league all the way into late June? I never heard he was injured, but I don't understand why he was just MIA for almost a full year after being signed, and then shows up in SD and everyone is floored by his physical maturity and growth.

One thing I do find difficult to understand, and maybe Fegan could have answered, is this board we are constantly fighting between two exclusive ideas, imo. 1. Compared to other orgs, our minor leaguers are getting no help. And their success is 100% dependent on them and often getting outside help in offseason or just being wunderkinds. 2. The org is way too hands on, being over aggressive in manipulating players who had already proven to be successful. I'm really skeptical about 2. They have always seem to be a "let them see it fail" org to me rather than ones to prematurely fix. At least buddy bells go to seemed to be to put them in a league where it was likely to be exposed and see them flail. Maybe that is different now. Fulmer DID seem to be proactively managed to smooth it out, but I thought that was going to be injury related. A cooper guidance. I'm skeptical it's 2, personally. Gonzalez may have read all the doubts, or is over compensating in trying to address them. I'd be really surprised if the coaches are being THAT aggressive on him now.

He's been about as bad as can be. But yeah his speed thing is more acceleration. Completely bizarre how slow he gets started to first given he gives up on his swing to start running there early.

If he ends up returning to a favorable world...don't we have to maroon him somewhere? We love Bama but ...I mean nothing happens for 30 years, then he goes on a remote vacation and everything turns to gold? Sorry not sorry.

Nashville deserves better.

also shout out to Claire McNear whose post-Machado article was one of the few that treated sox fans like they deserved better https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/2/20/18232714/manny-machado-white-sox-whiff-free-agency

Keith Law, Rosenthal, Greenberg I’m okay with. Fegan deserves his magnum opus.

Not impressed at the writers coming out of the woodwork NOW since a lot of Sox fans who made these complaints for years were treated as overly hysterical.

Rizzo is a hell of a scout man. The run recently hasn't been AS good, but his record from 2010-2017 was pretty incredible. It IS all a little top heavy at times, but he's also actually found free agent talent in the B/C free agents.

as a Mizzou fan, this DOES feel very much like Matt painter scheduling a flight to mizzou that he never takes because they inked the extension @Quin

@Kalapse can we add bob nightengale to the board banner as a reverse curse

W-S jumps out to a 5-0 lead behind Michael Turners 3 run McDouble

I’m definitely going to give morosi all of my attention. Because he’s giving me what I want.

Eloy was in the 20s when he was acquired, at least in BA. He then destroyed hi-a in august and was universally top 10. He also had a 130 wRC+ in 2019. And you are 100% right on how people forget about opportunity cost in this. They lost a cy young finalist and eventual top ten prospect in baseball for a guy that didn't move the needle. It was Hahn's second best trade imo.

Here is me being charitable It feels like there was a lot of guys who played yesterday sitting today, and yesterday was a day game in 100 degree heat.

I don't consider any of them busts yet (except dalquist)

Well, i'll take pride in not admiring Paddy, but he is by far the most complicated figure. I still don't think those failures listed are that uncommon or that big a deal. But they stick out because we don't sign enough of them. Reminds me of how this board was so anti-prep player because we couldn't develop them. The reality was prospects fail, and we never drafted prep guys, so having a bad run of the handfull we did was stuck in people's minds. Now we have colson and nobodies bothered, despite the fact that Kath, Dalquist, Macdougal and Kelly are all flaming out pretty much.

Korey Lee has played in 186 games in AAA, the league that sits below the majors. He's 25. This isn't the 20 year old in AA guys.

@Buehrle>Wood catchin Ws. I still keep wondering...what if that's Getz pitch to JR? And JR was impressed by his moxy and was talking about that with Bob?

One of the strongest arms on record this year, gets 10 mph more than Perez on throws. Despite slower pop time, his 1.95 pop time to second is in the group with Christian Vazquez and Austin Hedges. But to put it in perspective, JT Realmuto is 1.83 seconds to 2nd, and Patrick Baily is 1.87. Those dudes are hell on the base runners.

Carlos Perez pop time is 1.99 while he was up, while the mlb average is 2.0. While his arm is weak, he has a top 10 exchange time.

Seby, the 34 wRC+ catcher with the heart of gold.

correct. But i'm further getting the vibes she IS a perfect Jerry hire. Comes from an org where they can obscure whose authority exists so nobody is ever at fault.