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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) Then you might want to change your signature... its a bet, that I apparently already lost anyway.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 30, 2008 -> 01:06 PM) Beanie Wells leaves game with injury... Minor foot injury is the report. Pryor looked good today. Its going to be hard to stop this kid.

Beanie wells averaging about 10 yards a carry so far

Nobody even mentioned Poreda huh? He has a sub 3 ERA now. Went 6IP 1ER 5k's

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 12:47 PM) I didn't realize that I never actually posted in this thread. That's probably because I was irritated that a guy started a positive thread for a specific purpose and everybody still wanted to jump in to get their b****ing out of the way. But hey, the thread worked! Positive Karma prevails!!!

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 01:21 PM) sorry I didn't find that when i started this. looks like it worked. maybe you should start one for crede. he needs the mojo. I can only handle Danks and Paulie currently. Maybe ill Rally Crede my avatar again.

Bump.

Where is my positive Paulie thread?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) But if starters are more valuable than closers, why move Poreda to the closer role? Poreda's major league career =? Jenks as a starter=?. Jenks as a closer= elite. I see no reason to mess with it. How many elite closers with zero track record of success as a starter have been converted to one the past 20 years? Its a valid point. I still think Aaron's future is in the pen though.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 07:51 AM) So apparantly the Indians have won 10 straight and are currently in 3rd place... wow, the rebuilding effect is already showing positive signs.... they do this every season.

I cant wait until the Free Soilers come back.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 03:28 PM) But on the other hand....look at how much teams like Detroit, Cleveland, Atlanta, Milwaukee, etc. have struggled to find a reliable closer for years, even in some cases despite a couple trades and a lot of money thrown at marginal FA's. Like I said, we may have one in the wings. I'm not saying we NEED to put Jenks in the rotation, but its not entirely out of the question.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 02:04 PM) Closers are easy to find huh? Hahahaha, ask the cards, mets, tigers, clevland, etc. You don't take an elite closer and gamble him in the rotation. You keep him as a lights out closer and worry about the other 8 innings. Dumpster made the transistion because it was a no lose situation. He was a s***ty closer, and if he was a s***ty starter, what do you lose? Papelbon, Valverde, Soria, Sherril, Gregg, Wood, Capps, Saito. All been made full time closers within 3 seasons. Those teams didnt have hard times finding closers. I would argue that Poreda may be our closer in waiting.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) He hasn't been as successful as a starter and if he became one he would have to take his foot off the gas a little bit. Moving Dempster to the rotation made sense because he had at least some success as a starter before, was a mediocre to bad closer and they had replacements several replacements. Why mess with success? Its not about stuff or mental make-up, although Bobby's "stuff" would probably not seem as good over 6 innings as it does for one, plus he has a scrwew in his elbow. He's an elite closer. Maybe the Sox should sign KRod and put him in their rotation. Its a crazy idea. So you are going back to the line of thinking that he is the same pitcher that was a starter in the Angels organization over 4 years ago? (FYI his last healthy season in the minors as a starter has him going 7-2 with a 2.17 ERA) He has already taken his foot off the gas and actually has added several pitches that work well with the batters making contact. This is pretty evident in his k/9 dropping consistenly over the last few seasons 11.44-10.34-7.75-5.20 He arguably has the best stuff on our staff today. Closers are fairly easy to find these days and we may have one in waiting in Aaron Poreda. And the KROD argument doesnt make any sense at all, not really sure why you put it in there. Why is it that nobody can think outside of the box on this site anymore?

QUOTE (Steff @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 12:43 PM) LMAO!! Good stuff. I didn't get any of the $$ though... Rock I'll be down soon to pick up my share + interest How do you think I've been paying for my season tickets?

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 01:06 PM) Do you want an elite closer or a question mark starter who may or may not give you innings and may be injured or become somewhere between Carlos Zambrano and Esteban Loiaza. Look at Papelbon for Boston. Without Jenks this team is toast. They have enough starting pitching but look around baseball and look at bullpens that struggle. The St. Louis Cardinals and New York Mets would kill for a Jenks. Who closes next year......... I do not think the risk is worth the reward. In regard to screws in elbows Farmer and Stone were talking about Adam Lowen and how it ended his pitching career. Ryan Dempster seemed to make a good transition.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 12:34 PM) Jenks has throw over 100 innings twice as a pro with 123 being his high in a season. It would be insane to move him into the rotation not only because he's at best a question mark as a starter both performance-wise and physically, but it also would weaken a bullpen significantly. So you dont think he'd be a good starter? May I ask why? Do you think he doesnt have the stuff of our other guys? Doesnt know how to pitch as well? Doesnt have the mental makeup?

Where is Boz? There are alot of folks I forgot about now looking at our old board. I even remember my first argument (qwerty)

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 10:32 AM) Once he's arb-eligible, his game will improve dramatically. He won't have to say a word. Just make it rain a few hundos.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) Nope. He may have a few good starts here and there, but its not worth the risk. Goose Gossage was tried as a starter, and he went from a dominating reliever who could throw multiple innings, to a below average starter. Eckersley was a great starter at one time, but he was done until he became a dominant reliever. Derek Lowe did well going from a reliever to starter, but I have a hard time believing Jenks would hold up with the extra workload. The screw and his tendency to put on weight during the season would make me wonder. Keep him where he's at. I don't think his career will be long anyway, but you might as well have a guy at the end of the game you can confidently say will get people out. Unless you really had an unbelievable need for a starter, and you had a young stud who could close, I don't know why it would even be considered. Good starters are more valuable than relievers correct? Take out your point of his elbow which none of us know much about and many opinions state that its better for the pitchers arm to throw on regular rest. Lets say Jenks came out and had a Ryan Dempster type year, then would it be worth it? He's had the workload before, he just wasnt a pitcher, he was a thrower who didnt have command nor any knowhow on how to use his stuff. And the reason its being considered is because this is a message board.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 10:17 AM) I dont think people totally understand that, I know coming in I had no idea how good they were. Roberts, Huff, Mora, Scott, Hernandez and Markakis are all good players and Millar's no slouch. I was surprised to see they had I think 4 or 5 .300 hitters in the lineup yesterday. That being said, both pitchers still pitched poorly. Also, after reading that TSN article whitesoxbrian posted, I believe Danks was just off, not that he hit a wall. It says in the article that if his motion is off he has a hard time not leaving the ball up, which was his problem yesterday. Unless I see this in his next two outings, I'm gonna say it was just a bad game. The O's run total for the season is extremely close to ours.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 08:48 AM) I have to believe Danks just had a bad game. Same with Broadway. Everytime a player, especially a pitcher, has a bad game we all start calling for their heads or assume they hit the wall and are now done for the season. Giving a picther a rest by skipping a start is not a bad idea, but to relegate them to the bench or mop up duty is a bit unrealsitic. Also the O's are a very good offensive team, its their pitching that sucks.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 05:46 AM) Guys with screws in their elbows shouldn't be pitching 175-200 innings a year. Jenks is far more valuable as a closer than he would be as a starter. So you dont think he would be a good starter?

QUOTE (mreye @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 08:34 PM) That's basically my story. I think I found it with a search as well. I joined the same day as SS2K5 (I think one member # later) by chance and we slowly figured out we worked together at CBOE, rode the same train and both lived in Indiana. Small world. Do you still work at CBOE, they are one of my clients.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 05:13 PM) This is NO surprise, and he won't be the last Gopher to be an academic casualty. The whole reason Brewster had such a good class last year was he took a ton of academic risks on several of the top prospects he got. They have Weber at QB though and he is pretty good. Gray is SO damn good.