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Beckham started out pretty good as I recall.

Cool change with Disney buying fox. Avengers meeting X-men next?

Dont know how long youve been around. But game threads have been like this this for a decade. They play well, no one posts. They play,at poorly, everyone complains and the world is ending.

It was a groundball though. ?

These are the keys. The federal government no longer protecting the high tax states is a bitter pill. With the new gas tax looking to be approved in Illinois, its getting really close to the time to leave.

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Not uncommon. Just like with any injury, people handle it differently. Some can deal with some laxity some can't.

That just delays them. They'll pitch again.

The White Sox dont have the budget for Theo to buy the pitching he needs.

Sale has a long way to go to be the greatest pitcher in White Sox history. Ted Lyons and Ed Walsh come to mind immediately.

Big FA contract to Lester, really lucky with Arrieta and traded really good talent in Torres for domestic abuser Chapman.

It's just comments by people looking for any reason to rip the Sox. They are angry and can't let it go. Soon they will be like ESPN and won't acknowledge the fact that the team won a World Series.

Isn't that backwards. If you know pitchers get hurt, dont you want more of them?

Not a physician. But it is annoying that he did eventually needed surgery.

Doesnt mean it wasn't the right decision at the time though.

It was a wrong decision. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't the right one at the time given the information they had. Again, it's not an exact science hence the term, "he went for a second opinion."

The front office had no decision about surgery. That would be up to the physician and the player. No one takes the approach that any tear means surgery nor should they. Pitching is so important that management leaves the decision to the medical team. They have goo much invested in these players. This isn't a sprained ankle by a second baseman.

It's probably should have been done last summer based on the results now. But that's hindsight. Obviously they thought conservative treatment would work. It didn't. This isn't the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. They should ALWAYS err on the side of caution and conservative treatment.

Andrew's. Is always a tear with an injury severe enough to stop pitching. It just depends on the size. A sprain is just a tear, it can be very small or a total rupture. It's obvious that the previous tear was small enough that the physicians thought conservative treatment was the way to go. They were wrong, it happens.

A sprain is a tear. It just depends on the size of the tear. If it's fairly small they will always try conservative treatment first. It is still the practice of medicine eventhough we are getting better with research and evidence based practice. Besides it's not the training staff that makes the final decision on any of this, it's the physicians. In this case James Andrews.

I prefer Steve's high school nickname Steve "nose candy" Trout. He went to my high school.

I'm not sure its good for baseball. With him playing on the west Coast he really doesn't get the general exposure of the east coast teams. If he played for the yankmees he would probably elected to the HOF already.

That's from a study on the high side other list it as 1 in 100,000 depending on the sample. This include all procedures under general anesthesia including cardiac and procedures on the really sick people. In the young healthy population it's closer to the 1 in 100,000. However this underscores some of the issues when posters say, he just should get it done last, when they thought he may not need it but could need it in the future. It's very unlikely someone would die but it is a possibility. Dont go under general anesthesia unless you have to. They may not have even done it in this case. They may have just doped him up and done a nerve block on his arm.

Well there is the 1 in 10,000 chance of dying under general anesthesia. ?

They've done some pretty good biomechanical analysis. I posted one recent article that showed pitcher who have their release point more laterally away from their head are more likely to have UCL surgery. This implies what we know from cadaver research that the lower the arm angle the more stress on the ligament.