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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 07:23 PM) Giolito was coming on strong in his last 4 or 5 starts in the minors. Heaping credit on Coop while asking is he our only good coach is naive. The Sox have a system wide pitching philosophy in place. SUre Cooper deserves credit but so do all the pitching coaches throughout the minor league system. And who put that particular philosophy in place? Cooper.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 07:51 PM) My presence here has raised the valuation of soxtalk tenfold As good of a reason as any.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 02:02 PM) Otani to Sox talk seems extremely moot. Wait, when did Soxtalk get that kind of money? Must be the new mods popularity.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 02:14 PM) He's my favorite poster on this site - hands down... most valuable and unique insight I've ever seen in a public forum. Thanks, but it's only because I'm old and being working with athlete's for a long time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 01:46 PM) Rodon said the MRI was the same as the first one. I never read where it said it was inconclusive, but if it were horrible, he wouldn't have pitched at all this year, and wouldn't have been throwing 98. He also said he would be pitching next year. If the White Sox were freaking out, it probably would have leaked. I think it's debatable whether or not he actually had an MRI the second time. Maybe Hahn called Boras and said maybe Carlos isn't feeling quite right and could use the rest of the season off. We can look at some prospects and maybe lose a few more games bettering the team for Carlos when he pitches and it matters. Boras gives Carlos a call, and he isn't quite feeling right. 2 days prior, his arm felt great. The inconclusive part is that they found no structural damage but general inflammation by their reports. Well inflammation really is structural damage (albeit at a physiologic level) and there isn't "general" inflammation. Something needs to be inflamed. It could be nothing but the fact that it reoccurred means something is going on.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) Is this a scenario where PRP could be helpful in the healing process? PRP, platelet rich plasma, (because someone asked it's where they take the person's blood and spinout the platelets or healing initiators and inject it into an area to "increase" the healing potential of the tissue) would probably not work here at least initially. That is mostly used in muscle and sometimes tendon injuries. With this unspecified source of inflammation, I would doubt they go with it. If they feel it's most likely the rotator cuff they might use it.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 10:07 PM) Thanks, this is info google could not provide. So it's most likely not the capsule (thank god) but it still could be a torn rotator cuff or labrum? Obviously not a full tear, as a other diagnostics would show that, like strength and ROM tests. It could be. However, those are fairly easy to find even on MRI, if they are large tears. There could be small ones though. Most likely it's just some irritation. This is a problem though as they obviously can't figure out what it is and don't know exactly how to treat it. There is something going on to continually cause the irritation. Rest alone won't solve it.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 09:46 PM) In your experience, what injuries does an inconclusive (read: shows no obvious damage) MRI usually rule out? In the inverse, what injuries usually show up on MRIs of the shoulder? Thanks, I'll take your answer off the air. I did some Google fu, but I'd rather get it from our own expert. There really isn't a single answer to the question, otherwise they would know exactly what was going on. However, the most injuries that involve generic widespread inflammation are the undersurface of the rotator cuff and the bicep attachment to labrum. a capsular issue referred to earlier could indirectly cause this by being too loose but it would not directly show up as inflammation.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 07:51 PM) Basic question in reply and I don't know the answer to - do you really have 2 MRIs with inconclusive results if it's "soreness you'd have pitched through if it were the playoffs"? That sounds like the same question we'd have asked at the start of the season for him when there was nothing wrong but soreness and he missed half the season for that. So at least color me skeptical, but maybe? The answer to this question is yes. 2 primary reasons. 1. All pitcher's shoulders are different than the norm. But what is significant and what is not? 2. MRI are notoriously poor in differentiating "inflammation." It all just shows up as white ( or all black depending on the contrast and weighting used).

Watching Avi run to and from right field was painful tonight. He almost slides his feet. He turns it on while playing but you can see he is struggling. He had two good plays in the OF but after he tried to beat out an infield single, he jogged a little but then walked to the dugout. After this they pulled him and put in Liriano. Anyone else notice this at recent games?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 10:11 PM) I not sure what else Gio could've done. The pitches I listed were all very good pitches. That's his job, to make good pitches .He didn't allow many hits and if he tries to adjust to the ump who knows what happens . Maybe he gets hit harder. I'd also like to point out the umps are not familiar with Gio and in time and certainly with reviews of the games by the umps ( hopefully they do these things) that Gio will get the kind of calls that veteran pitchers do. His adjustment needed to be either A. not throw so low in the zone or B. find another place the ump will call. All you can really ask from an ump is to be consistent. If he consistently not calling a pitch low in the zone a strike. Don't throw it there. I'm not saying it's right. i agree they were strikes but many umps have biases for or against certain pitches.

QUOTE (Yoda @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Country music singer Don Williams died yesterday at the age of 78. I can only find reports stating he died of a short illness. No specifics on what the illness was. My dad brought me up listening to him and I got my gf hooked on a few of his songs. Truly a hard pill to swallow. Yeah, he was a good one. That deep voice could calm and relax a person regardless of what was going on.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 11:23 PM) I was watching the game and after an 0-1 fastball that was right down the middle at the knees to Sandoval in the 3rd inning was called a ball and Sandoval then proceeded to hit a 3 run HR I decided to rewind my DVR and check the ball/strike calls against the pitchcast calls. I don't think pitchcast is the end all be all . I acknowledge it could be wrong.So I told myself in order to have a strike that was called a ball , the ball had to be mostly or 3/4 or more of the ball had to be in the zone ,according to pitchcast. On borderline pitches like just 1/4 or a sliver of the ball in the zone I gave the benefit of the doubt to the umpire, The home plate umpire was Gabe Morales and right from the get go it was pretty obvious he was not going to give Gio the low strike . Now some of you may blame the framing by the catcher but most of the bad calls were on fastballs and Gio being as tall as he is certainly has some downward tilt on low fastballs that will drag a catchers glove down. I happen to believe a fastball should be the easiest pitch for the ump to accurate call. 1 .1st inning a fastball to Span at the the knees was called a ball probably a 4 seamer 2. A fastball to Hundley was down and in perfect pitch but called a ball , maybe a 2 seamer . 3. 2nd inning to Mac Williamson again down and in great pitch called a ball.Williamson then got on 1st with the error by Davidson. 4 With Williamson running Gio throws a fastball right down the middle low but whole ball easily in the zone , called a ball but Williamson caught stealing for 3rd out. 5. This was the pitch to Sandoval where instead of 0-2 it was called a ball changing the whole complexion of the AB. 6. 6th inning 0-1 curve to Posey called a ball clearly in the zone. After that Moncada missed the pop up and then things really got out of hand. 1-2 pitch to Hundley a nasty curve/slider and according to pitchcast its in the zone but pitch caught way off the plate and low . I will not count this as a strike. It's doubtful many umps would've called it a strike Ump gets the benefit of the doubt over pitchcast. 7. Pitch to Pence again a beautiful low fastball fully in the zone on 0-1 pitch. Steve Stone mentions Gio not getting low strikes. Pence walked on 3-2 pitch that was another well located fastball away and waist high . This was a pitch where pitchcast said caught the zone slightly but because I'm trying to be unbiased will call a ball and Crawford out at 2nd since he was going on the pitch. Will never know if he would've been out or safe since he may have slowed up when he saw ump didnt raise his arm for the strike. So instead of being out of the inning there's still 1 out and bases loaded. Gio is removed , gets ejected, angry at lack of strike calls no doubt. Renteria ejected sticking up for Gio So in my estimation thats 7 great pitches, the kind you want your pitcher to make all low or low and in strikes that were called balls and 2 others that maybe couldve been called strikes but weren't that the ump gets the benefit of the doubt over the pitchcast indicator.. There were also 1 or 2 others that caught a sliver of the plate called balls that I did not list. I agree with this as I was watching the game. Hopefully, it was a learning experience for Giolito. Certain umps. aren't going to call certain pitches. when he saw the ump wasn't calling low strikes, he needs to find something else that works. It's not right but many umps have a "he doesn't give this." As he learns umps, hopefully he can adjust.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) I haven't seen one poster who has said Moncada is doomed, merely that there's concern. You guys are also conflating things. Yes "x type of players have had big slumps", but it can also be true that "x types of slumps are more correlated with hitters who end up struggling". They're obviously not mutually exclusive. Correct so the answer should be. You have no reason to be concerned or be positive yet. No one knows anything really other than he is currently struggling. It means absolutely nothing about how good or bad he is going to be. of course everyone would feel better about him if he was hitting .300 with power in this short amount of time. But that also would not indicate he was going to be a good player.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 10:41 PM) Give him 1,000 at bats first. Or at least 1/2 a season. He has what less than 1/3 of a season total in the MLB. The length of his entire career is an in season slump for some hitters.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) I think the only thing that could single handedly dismantle and destroy this rebuild is the injury bug, especially with the pitchers. Tale as old as time.

QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) He'd look foolish if he said anything different during Giolito current run No the stats guys do it all the time. They'll find an obscure number and say that the results are not sustainable and he'll eventually regress to the mean.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 08:04 AM) Julie's column this week describes what it feels like when the minor league season ends, for the people that do it for a living. Good article. For me, it was to get ready for the Mexican league. I did that twice and almost didn't survive.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) Wow, this could get interesting. I wonder what the penalty for that even would be? Let's not be too harsh. Devers must be given to the White Sox at no charge.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) Yea was just about to post that. Bummer. Sounds like he'll probably play the last two weeks, if at all. Hopefully they can get him on a better training plan this offseason he might be better served losing some bulk. As others have said it's not from bulk but normally a foot issue of some type. You're right where a training program needs to be modified to include certain foot and arch strengthening. then he may not need to shoe modifications.

QUOTE (joejoedairy @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 10:55 AM) I don't think we'll see Collins by the all star break. If they truly have that as the plan that would be alarming. They should just let him play and when he deserves to be called up, call him up. There shouldn't be a deadline in place for when they are expecting a call-up. They obviously think he deserves to be pushed. If he continues to maintain an 800 OPS as he progresses with improvement in defense, there is no reason not to.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) I know there will be a fair share of paranoia about guys getting rushed, but next spring training and the season have the potential to be a lot of fun from beginning to end even if they're a 90 loss team again. I know I've said this before and people can fire away again. If they have an awful season next year with that plan, the rebuild has failed and they will need to start again. If the rotation is Rodon, Lopez, Giolito and Kopech, all players they are counting on for the rebuild, they better not lose 90 games. They will struggle but they can't ALL struggle that badly.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 08:16 AM) Here's another two weeks worth of who's been hot in the Sox minors. This went up last night but I forgot to post it on SoxTalk, sorry. Pay special attention to the lower level teams, especially the rookie clubs. Justin Yurchak has been a man on fire. How the heck do you get an OBP lower than the batting average in Silverio's case? The definition is: The full formula is OBP = (Hits + Walks + Hit by Pitch) / (At Bats + Walks + Hit by Pitch + Sacrifice Flies) So the only way seems to be no walks with a bunch of sac flies. Or am I missing something?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) Not waiting two weeks to ensure an extra year of control would be a fireable offense IMO. I can't believe there are people on this site who would be ok with. Completely mind-boggling. Not if it makes him mad enough to absolutely refuse to sign an extension or negotiate a free agent deal with the team. Knowing the Sox are only doing it to decrease his earning potential may not sit well with him. It's good for the short term but maybe bad business in the long term.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) Eases the pain of the Tatis trade. Hahn makes a dozen good moves and people will continue to harp on the one bad one.