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QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) Wait until High Schools and Colleges start getting sued. Then things will change really quickly. The reason why people think it will live is money, and the reason why I think it will die is money. The problem is that in all likelihood, everyone who sees the field, or practices football, suffers a concussion at some point during every game and practice. If you start having to take kids out if there is any question of whether they are ok or not, then games will no longer be playable because youth teams will run out of players before the end of a game. Too much liability going forward, especially as more knowledge and research comes out. I don't think there will be that many lawsuits. I deal with injuries at the high school and Colleges on a daily basis. Other than a few deaths on the field I have yet to be involved with a lawsuit. Why would this condition be any different?

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) I generalized it, but I am using it in the context of Football because I think that the NFL's days are numbered to to the concussion/CTE stuff. If Trubisky isn't the guy, nobody has time to wait for them to figure it out, because I think that as the science gets more reliable, they will ban football at the lower levels and the pipeline of talent would be destroyed. Furthermore, I could see the game being outlawed all together due to some thinking that allowing your kid to play could be considered child abuse. If you like football, and I do (and feel guilty for liking it) the NFL may have only 10-20 years left. There is no time to waste. If you enjoy the sport, just enjoy great players being great because football may cease to exist by 2035. This was an NFL specific rant that I generalized to gauge reaction from people. This is a sport-specific thing. If you feel that the NFL's days are numbered, then just enjoy it while it still exists. This isn't even close to reality. The game may change but there is absolutely no way the NFL won't exist. Far too much money involved. While there is a decrease in participation there are still plenty of kids playing the game. I just worked games over the weekend. There were kids from ages 6-13 with all of the teams having complete rosters.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) Most importantly, what's up with this Duck, Duck, Grey Duck crap? It's Duck, Duck, Goose. I always knew the far Northerners are weirdos. That was in our end zone. I told the Minnesotans behind us that they must stop education in 3rd grade up there for them to enjoy that game.

QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 9, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) We have the same conversation every offseason Wins, like anything other stat, shouldn’t be used on its own. There are more important singular stats out there for sure, but when we have as much information available to us as we do in 2017, using one stat to judge a player is irresponsible. I have been fighting this battle for years on this board. Other posters are finally starting to agree a little.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 01:17 AM) lol...seriously?!?! I think you're one of the few on the planet that doesn't see it. Not sure wtf game you were watching....but cool story Mrs. Glennon. I disagree as well. I was at the game and saw a rookie, inexperienced QB who made mistakes. However, he did not looked overwhelmed and looked poised. He looked like he knew what he wanted to do. He started very few games in college and this was his first NFL start. He is just more raw than most rookies. He is going to make in game mistakes due to the inexperience but it looked a great deal better than I feared it would. He has a long way to go with in game decisions but it will come with experience.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) Like our president? I guess I should clarify what I meant. i wasn't speaking about the political aspect. I was referring to the bickering and arguing about everything in public and the off field stuff. the political stuff is for another thread. The work place for them is so dysfunctional it's not surprising about the up and down play of some of these teams.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 06:10 PM) One more time around. Edit: this really gives some good insight into the kind of person Otani is. I'll be a fan wherever he signs. Seems to have an injury history. I wonder how he'll hold up during an MLB season?

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 10:55 PM) Now if you could read your posts of over a year ago and see if they differ. Last year's group was only 10 games better. Unfortunately being a baseball fan takes patience if you want to build a winner the right way. Ask any Cub's fan. The sox are in trouble then. I don't think they will spend spend 155 mil on a pitcher like the cubs did for Lester.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) That's cool you have a neighbor looking out for you. I assume he was kidding with the "dumbf***" line. You must be good pals. Did u buy him a beer or cup of java for his protection? It's pretty much the whole neighborhood. We have Friday night get togethers every other week with a group of about 5-6 families. I did buy refreshments that week.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) This might surprise some of you guys but Rongey's radio show down here is really good. I enjoy the hell out of it. Where is he?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) I'm pretty paranoid, so I have cameras, an alarm and a shotgun as a last resort. I assume the minute I hear my alarm get triggered I will be able to unlock my safe, load a shell and cock that SOB loud enough to scare off whoever it is. My goal is to deter an intruder, no silently hunt them down and murder them in my home. I want every single thing to scare them off. Wow. I rarely lock my doors. I've actually gone to work and forgot to close my door. A neighbor called me at work and called me a dumbf**k and because he had to close my door. My wife wasn't too happy that day. Luckily, i had locked the dogs up that day.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) One thing to keep in mind with any sort of "mental illness treatment means no guns" law is that it will inevitably discourage some people who own guns from seeking mental health services. Guns are really, really important to some people. I don't know where that balance point on that particular issue is, though. no doubt.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Biometric safe is what I have. Nobody else has access. mine's a combination safe. But anyway to keep the easy access or most accidents from happening works.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) Home defense! Some people go so far as to carry constantly even at home. Never know when someone is going to break into your suburban home in a gated community! That was actually what was at the heart of Heller. DC required all handguns to be stored in a secured or inoperable state, e.g. putting a lock on the trigger to prevent the gun from firing. Plaintiffs argued that this severely limited the gun's use for self-defense in the event of a home invasion. I know the arguments and to each his own but I just don't understand it. Of course, I've always chosen to live in very low crime areas. Not everyone has that option.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) I'm pretty sure if you were able to guarantee all families would always be safe and no innocent person would ever be shot or harmed in any way, which obviously could never happen, all people would have to do is turn in every gun they owned, millions would refuse. Of course. I go back to the hunting/sport aspect. there would be no reason to turn the firearms in.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 03:03 PM) While I agree with what you’re saying, the vast majority of people will not get rid of theirs guns at home no matter what the data says. I've never understood the people who don't lock up their firearms in the house. Get a safe lock them up. That takes care of most of the issues.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) They have trap shooting at OPCC, but im not much of a rifle guy quite yet, I've only trained with my 9MM and my shotgun. Anything has to be better than that tiny little BS range they have, its awful. I am nervous every minute that I am in there. Agreed. I rarely do anything but shotgun anymore just for that reason. Some of those indoor ranges make you feel like you are walking into a cult that the FBI is getting ready to raid.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 02:02 PM) There are a lot of hunters out there... My point is that guns are one of the few things that we create that has the primary purpose of destroying things. I could probably name 100 other things that can be used to destroy something (drills, bats, hammers, cars, knifes, pencils) but they all have some other primary purpose. Guns simply do not. There are but there are limits. In target shooting there are not. We will go through 300 clays in 2 hours. Whereas deer will have a limit for just a few for the season or pheasant has a limit of 3 per day during a season. There is no season for trap.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) Not a lot of places to practice on game around these parts... Gotta go squeeze into one of the horrible ranges. And they are horrific. Where that's where your environment plays a factor. Come down near Joliet on 55 and the state has free trap shooting ranges outdoor. If you want to hunt game they also do very cheap pheasant release in season for anyone with a license. I don't like in indoor ones at all.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) Yeah, you can do better than that. I dont see how decoration changes from item to item. With your example, tobacco leaves can also be used that way. but I do like the similarities we are finding in edge use cases for guns and tobacco, they are becoming more and more similar by the moment. tobacco when used for it's intended use, can kill. So can firearms. However, firearms can also be used for targets which doesn't kill. I'm not sure how this discussion started but I would bet that there are more deaths in the US every year attributed to tobacco use than firearms. I could be wrong but the point being that some people have leisure activities that are dangerous. Both of these can be.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) I hope to never ever ever have to aim mine at living things. There's no problem with that. I would bet that many more targets are destroyed than living things anyway, especially with limits for hunting.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) What animal do you hunt with an AR-15? Deer, bear, moose anything for which a high powered rifle is needed. Again if you read thorough I'm in favor of eliminating the automatic weapons. But rifles are needed in many instances. Many of these being culling deer or coyotes which will over run crops and neighborhoods.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) Biological research, producing oxygen, protein, biofuel.... Well I meant for things that they specifically used for. If you want to go that route, firearms have a decorative purpose for sitting above a fireplace or if cabinets.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) When you boil it down, the only purpose guns have are to destroy things. The reasoning behind wanting to destroy something may change. Hunting, sport, defense, etc... but that is still their sole purpose. Sure but not living things. They are probably used more to destroy targets and clays more than living things.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) Tobacco is a plant, of course it has other purposes. What is it used for that doesn't get into the body in some form?