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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:51 PM) How is an injury to a player not a factor in trade talks, unless there are none because of the injury; of if they aren't trying to trade him and there are no trade talks. If it's something as insignificant as a sprained finger, it wouldn't be a factor.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 07:12 PM) Once again I thank you for your insights. Do you think the Sox could be trying to downplay nature of the injury so it does not hurt Frazier's trade value? I know Frazier does not have much of a market but an injury more serious would likely make it even more difficult to trade him than it already is. I would highly doubt this as it would come up in a physical. It's more likely just a misdiagnosis early on, which is very easy to do especially if there was a great deal of swelling.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) Does voter turn out by state vary significantly when the state is a "battle ground" state. So for example, is voter turn out in Ohio much greater then say voter turn out in California (where maybe you have chunks of the population who don't vote because they already know that who they'd vote for will win, etc). Just curious. Probably not a major difference, but I would think to some extent it plays into account. I was in eastern Ohio (Younstown state) for my daughter's track meet this past weekend. I know they said it was a battleground state. But everywhere I looked there were "trump digs coal" signs and bumper stickers. Even at the meet there were parents wearing "Trump is MY President T-Shirts." It was more campaign things than I have ever seen anywhere. His campaign did a really good job there.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:18 PM) 20th in OPS & runs scored is pretty brutal when you play 81 games at the Rate. I'm not saying it's good. i'm just saying it won't rival for the worst in the MLB as some were saying. There will be more than a few teams with a worse offense than the Sox.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) Outfield is somewhere between substandard and brutal Catching mediocre, second base meh Four and five spots in the rotation would have to improve to be called question marks. That's before inevitable injuries. With or without Q, this is a train wreck. You could even argue that injuries could result in more talented players being called up. I would disagree a little. OF: Cabrera should be at least average, They should hope tilson will be pretty good, garcia yuck 3B above average with HR and defense SS: hopefully anderson is pretty good. 2B: Lawrie should be pretty good 1B: Abreu should be good C: who knows The lineup will not be will not be at the bottom of the league in scoring. They were 20th in OPS and runs scored last year. Should be about the same.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Frazier’s injury has not been a factor in #WhiteSox’s trade talks. Again, he expects to be hitting by mid-February, ready to go in spring. Reply Retweet Like More options Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Frazier’s issue arose in final few days of season. Felt it again when he resumed workouts. Had MRI, will undergo follow-up MRI tomorrow. Reply Retweet Like More options Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Sources: #WhiteSox’s Todd Frazier wearing splint as he recovers from sprained finger on left hand. Expected to be ready for spring training. There is something fishy here. 1. A sprained finger will not take 3 months to heal. 2. they don't do an MRI for a healing sprained finger 3 months into healing. My guess is something along the lines of a volar plate injury, misdiagnosed as a sprain, which is quite easy to do. Hopefully, there isn't much laxity in the finger.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) The Sox like to do that, but at the lower levels, then move them back to bullpen by the time they reach upper levels. Clark, Cooper, Goldberg are all following that path. But Burdi is already at AAA, so I kinda don't see it. I was just curious. I know they do it at the lower levels. However, since he is so new to professional ball and now there is no rush for him to get to the MLB, I was wondering if they may do it with him for at least part of the year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Injury history doesn't matter as much as it used to. Look at guys like Rich Hill and Brett Anderson. Depends on the injury.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Yeah Burdi won't be starting, at least not this year. Based on the Big Board I maintain, here are my best guesses: AAA: Giolito, Fulmer, Lopez, Danish, Sanburn AA: Kopech, Guerrero, Adams, Stephens, Lowry A+: Dunning, Thompson, Martinez, Lambert, Fry A: Hansen, Flores, Solorzano, Comito, McRee Guys above who may go to pen instead: Sanburn, Thompson, McRee Guys not above who could jump in somewhere: Volstad, Banks, Walters, Beck Do you think they may start Burdi to build strength, work on his pitches and make sure he gets regular innings?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) Comparing McHugh as being roughly equal to Quintana was where that article loses me It cherry picked stats while ignoring huge WAR differences Quintana in the past 4 season = 18.1 WAR McHugh in the same time span = 7.8 WAR McHugh's performance has gotten worse each of the past two seasons and he is now in the #4/#5 starter territory Quintana is a #1 on most teams and a #2 on a world series contender After looking at all of the stats I would agree with the article. Quintana is definitely better but not by a large amount for the last 3 years. K/BB, runs and WHIP are all slightly in favor of Mchugh. FIP, xFIP and SIERA are all in favor of Quintana.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 11:05 PM) Jedi is singular or plural, so it doesn't tell us a ton. The red color of the logo is interesting. Good point.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Rey and Finn are the last 2. Luke is still around, unless he buys it in the next one.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) You mean the part about just 5 playoff appearances in the last 57 years? Yeah, let's just stick to the rebuild, shall we? If you bothered to read the posts, it was referring to the fact that they will not pay for TOR pitchers in FA. Which is why they must collect pitchers in trades then buy or trade for hitters. They have a record of doing that. Your unabashed bias is astounding.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:44 PM) I'm not high on Jose De Leon at all. Forsythe is a really solid baseball player offensively and defensively with a 2018 option. I think they could have gotten more than the 1-1. JMHO but a solid 2B is nothing compared to DeLeon's potential. I'm sure they tried to get more than 1-1 but that was the deal they could make. So i don't think they could have gotten more. It's a steal for the Rays.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 08:45 PM) Yeah, that's clearly supported by Sox free agent pitching spending and even attempts to trade young pitching/prospects for veterans like Todd Ritchie, Edwin Jackson, Javy, etc. (Robertson's a clear anomaly here.) Not to mention Buerhle and Danks remain the two biggest non-Abreu deals, both were not external free agents but pitchers Schneider and the staff were already comfortable with, trust built over time. It's all the fault of Jaime Navarro!!! (Obligatory 90's reference now included. Belle makes two.) The Sox record stands. They won't spend big on FA pitchers from outside the organization. It's not the fault of Navarro, it's actually Dotson and Burns. They were in house players but really caused issues with significant injuries. the Buehrle and Danks deals were not the over 100 million dollar deals like Lester that the Sox would need to make if they picked up hitting instead of pitching.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 07:55 PM) So essentially the worst case scenario is their hitters (Cubs) still brought valuable pieces back. On the other hand, you could look at injuries to Rauch, Stumm, Biddle, Barcelo, Wright, Parque, etc., and argue the best collection of pitching prospects in the game 15 years took a pretty huge hit. Ginter was overhyped, another big name that comes to mind. Sirotka and Baldwin went down as well, although they came earlier, along with Snyder. Buehrle, Fogg, Garland and Kip Wells were the only ones to have long/er starting careers. That's a huge swath of talent that was basically turned into Todd Ritchie and Damaso Marte. Were it not for trading position prospects for Garcia and lucking out with Contreras for Loiaza, they would have been screwed. The two best since then, McCarthy and Hudson, also eventually went down. So all that...TJS risk and especially labrum/shoulder issues, are what make those 60's equal 55's. If not for the blip up in reliever values, you could even argue 60=52.5, and also for the fact it's been impossible to pry young hitting prospects loose this offseason after the Sale trade and the Chapman/Miller deals at the deadline. Or you can argue the White Sox in recent years have done an excellent job by and large keeping pitchers healthy compared to other orgs. This is why collecting pitchers is the way to go. JR will never pony up 200 million dollars for a couple of pitchers if the Sox get all hitters and need to buy pitching later. He would be inclined to pay for hitters as he did with joey Belle when the Sox signed him to that (at the time) massive deal.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) I dont like that deal for the Rays. Think they sold Forsythe a little short. TOR potential pitchers always trump second basemen.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Wasn't he the last jedi the last go around in episode IV?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Law's evaluations of bats have been as good as any publication writer over the internet age. He's outstanding. If I like a guy (on the position side) and then I hear Law likes him, I'll dive in and usually come out looking good. Law's evaluations of pitchers is almost like punching in numbers into a system. Under 6'1"? Under 185? Automatic reliever. 6'3"+ but very thin frame? Automatic reliever. Throws hard with bad mechanics? Automatic reliever. Law wants every pitcher to be 6'4" 215 lbs with perfect mechanics. I just don't think mechanics are as predictable as Law's writeups would give credence to. It's not even like he would argue that but he just bets on the workhorse bodies and does his presumptuous, writing-off of any guy who doesn't apply. Frankly, it's not the worst strategy given the tough task that Law has to do but at the same time, he knows some of these unconventional deliver/smaller body guys are going to work out and they're going to keep making him like bad (See Sale, See Carlos Martinez, Hopefully see Reynaldo Lopez). With the unpredictability of pitching, he will be right more than wrong with this system. That's why he does it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 07:32 PM) What a huge douche he was. No doubt. He was fun to drink with as long as you didn't take him seriously.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 07:25 PM) RIP and condolences to all friends and family of both players. No amount of money can help a person make a rational decision under the influence of alcohol. It is up to the individual to make the right choices in life. Money from the MLB would not have prevented Marte from driving too fast or Ventura from drinking then driving. In the end it was poor decision making by these men that led to their deaths. The best people can hope for is that others will learn from the mistakes of Marte, Ventura and Fernandez to help prevent things like this from happening in the future. Yes. The best they can do is try to educate them and let them live their lives and hopefully learn from others mistakes. forcing more rules and regulations is rarely the right answer.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) Sucks for Losman. I'm convinced the Packers will never have a bad QB. When I worked for them we had Don "Majik man" Majkowski. They have had bad QB's.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 06:54 PM) This thread desperately needs a new credible rumor to discuss or a merciful death. Talk about NASCAR! The combined Q threads remind me of a NASCAR race. Lots of going in circles with a few crashes and fires along the way.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 02:14 PM) First of all - Martes+Tucker+Reed+Fischer does not equal Martes+Tucker+Paulino+ 2 absolute question marks. Paulino + 2 lottery ticket types doesn't equal Reed and Fischer. Second of all - how in god's green earth do you know how the Astros value Archer vs. Q? Archer, by the way, is controlled for an additional year at ~$2M less on AAV basis. I personally like Q more than Archer, but I am not an unbiased bystander, and until 2017, their numbers were pretty similar in the previous 3 seasons. I don't think it is too wildly farfetched to think that the Astros value Archer higher than Q, and maybe my a sizable margin. Let's not forget that Archer was the AL start in the ASG in 2015, and to that point was widely considered one of the top RHP in the game. You throw around way too many things like they're fact when you're just speculating. It is beyond annoying. Maybe RH is still trying to Bregman - who knows? You certainly don't. So stop acting like its gospel. I think that a Martes, Tucker, Reed and Fischer package hasn't been offeed, because if it had, those dude would be White Sox. And why do I think that? Because on a player for player basis, that trade rivals the Sale deal and bests the Eaton deal, which are actual fact. I should have just stopped typing and agreed with this post. I wish I would have taken keyboarding in high school. Is that course even offered anymore? I would imagine kids don't need it anymore.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) "Absolutely nothing"? Not the fact that comparable deal for an inferior pitcher was turned down by the Rays? Might want to reconsider your words because to me there is strong indication that the Astros are willing to include almost any combination of minor league talent. The issue is Hahn is probably still pestering them over Musgrove and Bregman, because he apparently hasn't gotten the message that those guys aren't on the move. First off, he is not a drastically inferior pitcher. Over the last 3 years they have been pretty similar, with Q getting an edge and had a better year last year. You are guessing that RH/KW are still asking for one of the MLB pieces. So if the Rays turned down the deal and the sox did as well, this probably indicated more than anything that Houston just isn't willing to sell the farm for these pitchers. It may change but right now they aren't inclined to do so.