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QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) As a player? Nah. But you can say "World Series Champion Manager" and everyone will understand retiring his number. Anyone who plays 13 years with the team gets automatic consideration. Add to that the ROY and the personality. I think he would get strong consideration as a player.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) I don't want to derail the thread any further but I don't think some of you guys realize how good Sale was. Buehrle had the advantage of being with the team for much longer, having playoff success here, and not being a hot head, but pound for pound I think Sale is way more talented than he ever was. These are usually the reasons for getting numbers retired by a team, not just how good they were. Should they retire Tom Seaver, Goose Gossage or Tommy Johns numbers? Usually the numbers are retired for importance to the team not necessarily the best players ala Baines and Konerko. Both of them were good players but not the best of all time.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) Yep, he's just 23 years old. Severino is different in that his defensive skills are ahead of his bat which to me is promising. Usually the defense lags behind the bat when it comes to catchers. I know Severino has no power but if he can hit for a decent average he will be a gem to have behind the plate and in the lineup. Come on Rizzo, give it up just once more. Officer Karkovice 2.0

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) The exhibition season hasn't even started yet and they have already had two guys go down. Mark Isn't that a good thing in a season where they are rebuilding? edit: As long as it's not one of the young rebuilding pieces that is.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) This exactly. The way the game has evolved, it is going to be a longer game. Bullpens are going to be heavily used, with the steroid era over and with sabermetrics in the mainstream, the typical hitter is going to become a bit more selective, therefore more pitches are going to be thrown. They, like was mentioned before, are going to have to do more, like limit catchers visits, a pitch clock would be nice to eliminate some downtime, but it is more the pace than the length of the game that is the problem. We have all been to 3 hour games that seemed like 6 hours, and 3 hour games that seemed like an hour and a half. Eliminating the lollygagging will make for a better experience for everyone. There is enough downtime in baseball even if it is played quickly. Manfred has mention a few times bout pace of play as he calls it. They want more action during the game as opposed to worrying about the actual game time. I agree. The less lollygagging the better. It's not an easy fix though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 06:13 AM) People are really complaining they don't get to see 4 balls thrown for an intentional walk because once every few years someone actually hits the ball? In the grand scheme it won't save much time, I think they said 35 seconds on average, but it isn't exactly eliminating a can't be missed situation. This has been the rule in HS and college for years. Not to mention it saves 4 throws on a pitchers arm. There's nothing wrong with the change. It doesn't help the time much but it really doesn't hurt the game either by ridding the game of a useless sequence.

QUOTE (Jake @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 07:18 AM) My AT in college always said MRI just stood for "More Radiographic Income." Said a lot of common injuries (e.g., torn ACL) are accurately diagnosed manually. That's the exact term i used in my classes. I like the AT already.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 19, 2017 -> 11:03 PM) which is why they delay the MRI, as it won't show much of anything useful. Hopefully he feels better in a few days, that's a sure sign it's nothing much. If he doesn't , then he gets the imaging. If they are sure its a stress reaction as opposed to a stress fracture they may have already done some imaging or they may just be going by the length on symptoms. MR imaging rarely shows any thjng useful early on and in many cases aren't real useful in these situations until much later. They will look for bone marrow edema without issues in the cortical bone. Unfortunately MR imaging is very sensitive to edema and it can block out small issues like stress fractures. Bone scans are still better for something like this.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 19, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) The resident Doctor is in! What would you suspect his timeline is until healthy and what are any potential restrictions / ramifications of this injury? Thanks ptatc, brother man with the master plan!! No more than three to four weeks on the outside, more likely in the one to two range. They will add support to his shoes and have him wear a less ridged shoe depanding on where it is. There are usually in the 2nd or 3rd metatarsals

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Feb 19, 2017 -> 03:37 PM) And straw man arguments are quite a thing as well. Literally no one made the argument as you are attempting to phrase it. Yes, Swisher was forced into roles that probably lessened his effectiveness as a player. Do you disagree? But no, NO ONE said that KW "never should have rid himself" of Swisher. KW stupidly sold low on Swisher after his worst season, instead of retaining him long enough to rebuild his value. And you were even supplied with an example of this in Robertson. DA, when you stay off the hyperbole & straw man arguments, you're a heck of a poster. You don't need to do that. Sometimes cutting your loses is better with certain players.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Feb 19, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) What's a stress reaction? I usually react to stress by drinking. It's a precursor to a stress fracture. There is pain and significant tenderness on the bone similar to what you would think if as a bone bruise but there was no direct trauma. There is no "crack" in the bone.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) Once a surgery is done, and the extent of the damage and repair is known, I'd be OK with it. Before then, too many unknowns to sign off on that risk in a deal for a best remaining player. Once they determine if it's a UCL tear, it's pretty straight forward. The only other complication would be nerve damage but that is really obvious right away. Again I don't think the Cardinals would entertain the idea of trading him. However, he would be far and away the best player the Sox could obtain for Q.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) I personally doubt that the cardinals would trade him. I know. He's too good of a prospect to put in a trade. I'm sure the Cardinals would turn down the trade proposal. But it would be tempting to ask.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I can honestly say I have zero interest in baseball right now. This is the first time ever I really do not care. I know they are rebuilding and it's necessary but I just do not care about anyone on the MLB roster. I should care about Rodon and Anderson but I don't. This is why most teams are hesitant to do rebuilds. If fans that follows message boards have lost interest, what do you suppose the average fan is thinking?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) I highly doubt the sox would accept an injured pitcher as the primary headliner in a quintana deal. Even if the risk is small, why take it? STL still has watcha to be its fifth starter Because in a year they could possibly have a better pitcher (and #1 prospect in baseball) than the one they traded plus a couple of extra pieces. It is a gamble but it could payoff big because they really aren't getting the value from other teams for a Q trade.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now There is significant concern inside the Cardinals' organization that Alex Reyes, their star pitching prospect, needs Tommy John surgery. More speculation coming now, we shall see how the Cards react. It would be tempting to trade for him and send Q to St. Louis. Q helps them win now. The Sox get a potential better pitcher next year. The odds are highly likely that he returns to form after the surgery. It is a gamble but not really much of one.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) It amazes me that the White Sox push their top starters harder than most any other team in baseball, yet they always have so many less injuries than anyone else does. It is kind of amazing. There are really two factors IMO. The first is outlined really well in the Herm article about the proactive "pre-hab." The other part is Cooper really de-emphazing velocity. He preaches to back off how hard you throw to increase movement. These will go a long way to decreasing stress on the throwing motion.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) Lopez's delivery reminds me a lot of Peavy. Very much so.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) It kind of scares me that the process is so personal. Basically, when Herm goes, we lose this. It's just people trusting him and him being organized and responsible. That's an incredible heap of praise, but you'd like something a bit more institutional. It kind of seems the same with Coop. He just seems to have a great eye/emphasis on getting pitchers out when their mechanics get out of whack. The assistant is very similar. He has learned under Herm just as the article discusses how he learned. While Herm is excellent at what he does, there is an "institutional" component as you say because they follow it in the minors as well.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) It could be valid. He's a smallish guy for a pitcher so there are questions about his durability but his repertoire is pretty good as is his stuff. If you haven't seen it yet here's a little video and story on that 11 K game he had with the Nats. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/196369140/re...in-over-braves/ Still not a fan of that upright, lack of follow through. It does help with command however. He's one that will be interesting to follow his injury history.

Interesting that Lopez is higher than Kopech. This list must be higher on floors and proximity to MLB than potential.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) Jethro Tull on the list at #96. Snot is running down his nose.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) And again it wasn't Ed DeBartolo who committed a felony crime. Just saying. Regarding the most money comment, JR's desire to destroy the MLBPA and impose his idea of a salary structure failed miserably, cost MLB a lot in 94-95 and neutered his own team's chances of potentially getting to the World Series. To me that doesn't sound like a solid business plan. But that's just me. JR like everyone has had an interesting life and controversial run as owner. He's done some things everyone can be proud of (including his substantial charitable contributions) but he's also done some things that make you wonder 'what was he thinking?' This comment when he took over the team turned out to be very prophetic: Jerry Reinsdorf was a “source of intrigue” and in the future could become a “source of controversy.” –From a story by reporter Linda Kay, Chicago Tribune January 30, 1981. Mark No, but it was the family and the group together. The kid was just the guy out front. He was in with the kid with the racetracks and everything else, similar to the Cubs and their current group. The kid is out front but they all have a stake and are involved.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) (Look, I respect you, & I think you're a good poster, but) LOL, wut???? Much of JR's actions have been driven by him being self-serving and personally greedy: 1. Sportsvision. This was ALL about getting EVERY LAST PENNY out of you & me, without adding not one iota of value to the product or to you or I, the paying customer. 2. Everything about New Comiskey Park, from trying to swindle the taxpayer, to trying to get it built on his own land, to threatening to move, to pushing costs to build it onto the hotel industry, to the s***ty design was all about him getting the MOST MONEY for himself. 3. Colluding to pay less to players was a way to pay others less, while keeping more for himself. 4. Not competing in the international market for decades, and not competing with draft signing bonuses was again, a way to pay others less. 5. Moving the MiLB affiliates as close as possible to each other was, again, a way to do things on the cheap. 6. The lockout was a scheme intended to pay others less. 7. The White Flag Trade was the right thing to do, but his public response to the trade was self-serving. 8.Never competing for the top FAs, going back to Albert Belle. 9. Keeping an incompetent team president employed, likely because he's either too cheap, or that KW is a livng reminder of JR once having been a younger man. (And JR having taken a personal role in chasing KW as a draftee.) [EDIT] 10. Despite having easily the best lease in north American sports, the cost to attend games is routinely among the most expensive in MLB, as an effort to suppress attendance, thus lowering/eliminating any rent to pay, all while having an inferior product in most seasons. Now, JR's done all of this, and more, all while losing much more than this team has won. We're also expected as taxpayers and paying customers to be OK with his personal greed on the one hand, and at the same time, accept this club operating like a small market team on the other hand. By contrast, at a minimum, the DeBartolos may have been greedy, but at least they passed their thievings onto their paying customers with the 49ers. Neither JR, nor Ilitch deserve praise as owners of their MLB clubs, in all honesty, IMO. And ive yet to see any evidence of JR making this anything other than an exercise to get HIM the most, or to pay others less. Nearly everything you said here makes my point of him working behind the scenes to work on keeping the cost of the game under control so it's not "he who has the most money wins." You see it all as self serving, i see much of it being him working with others owners to control the costs of the game so that all teams have a shot not just the Yankees, red sox and dodgers.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) And JR was involved in colluding to illegally suppress player salaries, so it isn't as though JR is a saint, either. YMMV. JR isn't a saint he is not by far the best owner in the league but he isn't evil incarnate who has single handedly destroyed the White sox organization either. What he did is not a felony crime. What he has done is try different ways to keep baseball from becoming a "he has the most money wins."