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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) Regarding the bolded, there is absolutely nothing out there that backs up this logic. I agree. If that was offered, I think RH/KW would have taken it.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) I think fans do need mentally prepare for Quintana to be on our roster opening day The stove seems to have considerably cooled as of late, and the likelihood he gets dealt before spring training is getting slimmer and slimmer, which is ok. I've been saying this since the Eaton trade. Teams aren't ready to give up another blockbuster deal. Honestly, it's difficult to imagine 3 blockbuster deals in one off season. There just aren't that many teams willing to do this type of deal at the same time.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 07:07 AM) I just find it hard to believe that in this market where there are literally no other TOR alternatives that offers wouldn't be strong. We all say we don't want Hahn to accept a crappy offer, but why do we think teams would allow one of their competitors to get Quintana on the cheap? For example, if the Pirates' best offer was Glasnow, Hayes, & Diaz, do you honestly think the Astros & Braves would stand pat and not top that? The only way we're going to get a crappy offer is if the market is significantly constrained from the buyer's side and demand just isn't there. And that's simply not the case based on everything we know about interest in Q. My concern is that Hahn will wait for the perfect offer, which may or not never happen by. Waiting doesn't guarantee s***, but it does put our most important asset at risk of losing signicant value from a combination of factors including injury, underperformance, & less favorable market conditions. It also pushes back this rebuild most likely due delaying the development time for whatever prospects are acquired and could greatly impact our draft position next year that has some elite talents at the top. Long story short, I simply don't see the potential reward from holding Quintana until July (or longer) worth the inherent risk and opportunity costs. Well the lack of movement of any players right now would make one think there are no good offers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 05:48 AM) Of all the things in a Quintana deal, the surest thing is Q. If you are worried not trading him will screw everything up, you should be more worried trading him asap and just taking what they can get, will screw everything up. All the guys the Wox received for Sale and Eaton look great on paper, but as of now we really don't know if any of them can really play, let alone as well as Sale or Eaton. No doubt. They can't trade him for less than his value. It will hurt the team in the long run.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) Interesting Glasnow news, since he is related to Q News: Black Beard’s Delight: Hey ENO! I read an interesting article on Tyler Glasnow this week. He is shortening his delivery and the Pirates are giving him his 2 seam back. Mainly just wanted to share that with you, but does that improve your outlook on him? 12:31 Eno Sarris: If he can throw the two-seam to the middle of the plate because he has confidence in the movement, maybe one or both combined will help his command. He would take a huge leap forward if he could just get ahead more often because the curve is great. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/eno-sarris-...all-chat-11917/ This thought process is odd. The 2 seamer has more movement and is more difficult to control than in 4 seasmer, in general. Teams usually take away the 2 seamer from pitchers with poor control. Maybe he is just more comfortable with the 2 seamer and it will help, but the thought process is backwards.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) No way. On top of those two, they'd have to trade Lawrie, Jones, Cabrera, Abreu, Rodon, and Gonzalez, and they'd still probably lose only 110 games. Not to mention Ventura is no longer the manager. That is worth at least 10 wins there.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:55 PM) Andruw Jones and Omar Vizquel have to have legit shots. Andruw Jones while very good was never really dominant. I don't think so. Vizquel maybe but borderline.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:15 PM) Yeah, but the piece you bolded is nonsense and highly unlikely to happen. I agree. That is why I responded to the poster's idea that they shouldn't wait to trade Q because if Giolito, Kopech and Lopez could blow out their arms and keeping Q would be wasteful.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) Unless you have a crystal ball, you cannot say with absolute certainty he will be a good pitcher when he's 29. John Danks is a prime example. Hell, Giolito, Kopeck, and/or Lopez could all blow their arms out over the course of the next 2 years. Keeping Quintana to be an anchor in the rotation in anticipation for *if* the Sox can compete come 2019-20 is just a bad idea. Sox need to be focusing on acquiring as much talent as they can either by trade or draft. You can't keep players on the off-chance they might help you compete before their contract runs out. The only players I would say have an exception regarding this is Anderson and Rodon because both are under team control for a very long time. If this is the case, then all the more reason to keep Q. If the others blow out their arms the sox will need Q if they are going to be any good in 2 years.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) That's the problem though, he's only worth one or two years as a TOR starter to us based on our projected competive window. While I'm not suggesting they settle for a crap offer, you don't need multiple all-stars to come out ahead. If we end up with even one 3 WAR per year player that can provide that value over the course of five years when we'll actually be competive, we are definitely better off. That's why holding Quintana through the rebuild in hopes he can be part of our next competive team makes no sense. I get it. This is where RH/KW need to determine the value of Q vs. the prospect package. Also, it does make sense to keep Q if the deal isn't what they like. If you project them to have a shot at the WS during his contract, he would become one less "rental' they may need to trade prospects for. It may save them talent in the long run because they would need to make the deadline deal. This is all predicated on what deal is currently offered. I have no issues with trading him but there is value in keeping him as well.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 12:03 AM) When will the team be good again if we don't move Quintana? How much control will we have over him at that time? If their plan works in 3 years which means they will have him for at least 2, if he doesn't sign another contract. As people have stated here he is a very good pitcher. Pitchers like him are difficult to find. If they don't receive a really good offer for him, it doesn't make sense to trade him. He signed a team friendly deal and may stick around longer. They shouldn't trade him for less than what he is worth to the sox as a TOR pitcher.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 10:43 AM) I've seen him do that for a couple years now in drills... someone more informed will have more insight but I suspect it's a drill to build drive towards the plate. Never seen it that pronounced thou. Crazy. I've seen many people use it. i'm not a fan of it as it tries to teach how to throw too hard and thus really put a great deal of strain on the UCL while pitching. Not a fan of the kids attitude of trying to throw that hard. Really sets him up for injuries in the future.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 09:51 PM) Jose Quintana the pitcher is a commodity and like any commodity he is worth what the market will pay. If Coppopela, Luhnow, Huntington and Cashman are all not willing to meet Hahn's price then Hahn's price is too high. That is how a market works. I dont know how much more this has to be explained. Compromise is an essential part of doing business and it is not shameful for the White Sox to meet a potential buyer somewhere in the middle for Quintana. Right now appears clear that Hahn is refusing to budge from outrageous demands, demands that wont be met now nor at the deadline nor next offseason. The risk of keeping Quintana for even spring training far outweighs any benefit. The deadline is not magic. It will not miraculously boost Quintana's value. Its time for the Sox to quit dipping their toes in the pool and get on with the rebuild. Hahn has gone through his salesmanship and assembled interested parties, take the best offer and move on to dealing Frazier, Robertson and (if possible) Melky. That is what is best for the White Sox now. The first part is exactly right. i disagree with the second part. Q will still be under contract when the team is good again. If he is still around, the Sox will have a variety of pitchers to try to build a great pitching staff, then they can buy hitters because all of the pitchers will be at a very low cost.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) Let's clear something up: trading Rodon is not idiotic. If someone offered you significantly more value than he is worth, you'd jump on it in a second. The Diamondbacks gave up Dansby Swanson and Endar Inciarte for Shelby Miller. I'd certainly take those two for Rodon right now. Trading him for what the normal market would pay for him right now, that's a little closer to idiotic, but I wouldn't say it would be totally idiotic. I don't think so. Only because, if he continues to improve he will be worth more later. Unless you think his performance has reached it's peak.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) Luhnow is only an idiot if he doesn't end up with Q. As it stands he is just a GM trying to get a great piece at his price, notice that no other team has yet so outbid HOU that they are out. I don't know. They are very similar pitchers and Gray will be cheaper for the next couple of years. If the asking price is less than Q, it could be a smart deal. Provided they are confident in his recovery from injuries. That may make him an even cheaper get in regards to prospects.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) He is saying the reason why he chose them was because of their history in rehabbing that injury. I guess. But he's picking a few good out of a larger question mark. Maybe they are good with the smaller sample. It would still give me pause in the big picture.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 06:09 PM) 57m57 minutes ago Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan Sources: Tyson Ross' one-year deal with the Texas Rangers is for $6 million guaranteed. Can earn more with bonuses. Going to be interesting to see how Ross performs in the AL and in that Texas heat when the ball jumps off of bats. I think he should have stayed in the NL in hopes of putting up solid numbers to get a multi-year contract next winter. Ross' numbers have been shielded by pitching in the NL and the most pitcher friendly park in baseball but pitching in Texas with his High BB rate could be a disaster. His injury is a big concern as well. That is not the organization I would would choose when coming back from the TOS surgery. That's tricky enough to begin with.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) Who is this Brian Bilek clown? Wasn't he the coach of the Baltimore Ravens at one point? Why is he writing about baseball? He's clueless.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) When is the last time a NFL team played in such a small stadium? How big was the Milwaukee County Stadium the Packers played in sometimes in the 90s? i worked for the Packers in the 80's when they played there. It was a pretty interesting conversion from baseball to football. I would bet it was around 50,000.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 04:54 PM) Gotta disagree here. Wasting 2 or 3 years of Quintana's value in hopes he can anchor a competitive team for one or two years (best case scenario) makes no sense IMO. His production over the next two years is 100% useless to us, but it's obviously very valuable to other clubs planning to compete. There is a huge opportunity cost to holding him that you're not acknowledging. We can trade him for a group of prospects that fit much better into our competitive window. That makes much more sense than trying to get one or two years out of Quintana while the team is actually good and then losing him for nothing. Also, we only have a handful of bats in the system that we can project as above average major league regulars. It's going to be difficult to find the talent needed to fill those holes without dealing Quintana. He's the one guy we have left that can potentially bring in an elite positional prospect in addition to a couple quality secondary pieces. We still have a long ways to go in our rebuild before we should feel even the least bit optimistic that we can be competive by 2019 or 2020. I strong Quintana return with multiple near major league pieces would go a long way towards that. But the sox aren't wasting his value if they don't get the appropriate value in return. This is where the difference lies. At what point do the Sox decrease their demands that he is more valuable than the return. They will not "waste" value if thety don't get value in return.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) Hahn has said may times since trading Sale that he wants the market to come to him. He isn't going to these other teams all thirsty to make his next trade. He will make the big trade when there is a team banging down his door with elite packages of prospect gold. Until then, we wait. This is because he really doesn't need to trade him. He will still be under a team friendly contract when this team is good again, if the plan works. None of these primary players are more than 2 years away. RH/KW traded away the most valuable (and troublesome) pieces to rebuild quickly with near MLB talent.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Is this state one of them? Because for some reason they are requiring my daughter to continue to take PE even though she's behind in credits and on her 5th year of HS. Seems to me that it would make more sense to fill her schedule with the classes required to graduate including the ones she needs to make up from previous years. Yes. illinois is one of them and also one of the few that require gym in high school.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) I don't honestly care which position they put him at, I believe he's athletic enough to play both. However, if you want to get me annoyed and complaining, the way to do that is to change course midway. All that matters to me is the team picks the best position they think will work for him defensively and physically, puts him there, and starts coaching him there. No creative moving him around, no brilliant ideas about him being a super utility guy, no comparisons to Baez, just put him at a position and find someone to tell him how to put his feet and read balls off the bat. i think this depnds on his mental makeup. some players can handle, others can't. No one should assume he can.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 09:04 AM) They're temporarily moving to a tiny 30,000 seat stadium. That can't end well financially. They have had the lowest attendance in the league in recent years and by far the lowest as a % of their stadium capacity. I can see why they thought it was worth the risk. People just didn't go to games in san diego.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) Rays pick up Coats on Waivers. They got a bargain. We get whatshisname. It's another Garcia. The Sox had to do this to get an all Garcia outfield. It's worth the risk.