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QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) Again, I agree with most of it, but I wouldn't see it as a very slim chance he goes #1 or #2. He was the consensus number 1 prospect heading into this year, had a year which was seen as relatively disappointing and still was considered by most as the #2 prospects, sliding to #3 after a surprise pick at #2, in what was considered a good draft. In fact, the fact that his leverage is way lower as a senior makes it even more likely he'd go #1 or #2, you'd get a premium talent and the probability of an underslot deal. I'm nitpicking really, I agree with the premise that he should sign. That was my point. Working with the MLB staff on his change would be the advantage and he could develop it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:27 AM) Interesting. Is it possible a reconstruction can be too strong, causing something like this? No it wouldn't be the cause. It would be that he would have torn the ligament again with whatever he did. However, because the bone was for whatever reason weaker than the ligament the force went to the bone. I have never seen or heard of anything like this. The only fractures from throwing I've heard of are humerus fractures where there is a tremendous amount of rotation torque.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) I'd rather we paid overslot than included a deal to fast track him to the bullpen. By all accounts he needs to work on his changeup to become a truly effective starter, and after a year of barely using it at NC State, I wouldn't want him straight in the bullpen and working exclusively fastball-slider. That is pretty much what everyone does. Most relief pitchers go with the number 1 and 2 pitches exclusively. Most of the time that is why they are in the pen. The obvious advantage here is that he could work with Cooper, Thigpen and Salas on the change up if he was with the Sox.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) I agree, which disappoints me that he didn't sign for slot quickly and include a spot on the 40 man roster or something. At least that way Boras could spin it that he did something for the guy. With the longer he hold outs, in my mind the less likely he signs for slot because what the hell was he waiting for then? He is trying to get every penny he can. The thing most people aren't looking at is what if he sucks as an MLB pitcher? Starting his clock early makes no difference if he is no good. You get all the money you can because you don't know how you will be later. This needs to be the mind set right now.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 10:05 PM) Ah.. did he get hit on it. It's usually either that or a fall on it. Thats an odd look for a fracture, right on the tip of the olecranon. Just heard that he fractured it throwing a pitch. That is one really strong reconstruction when the bone fails before the replaced ligament does.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 09:48 PM) Hawk just its a broken elbow. Ah.. did he get hit on it. It's usually either that or a fall on it. Thats an odd look for a fracture, right on the tip of the olecranon.

Going to Denver in two weeks. Added a trip down to Mesa Verde and the cliff dwellings. This is new for us and should be excellent.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 08:33 PM) Yeesh Olecranon bursitis. I've seen them get near baseball size.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) Pitching for pitching. Walker projects to be an ace, is major league ready now. I think Walker could essential replace Q in the rotation with upside and is cheaper. But I am not the biggest Q fan on here, I know. True, however it's projected to be an ace with and injury history. It's taking a chance and could be worth it. I just don't think I would take that chance.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 09:43 AM) Alexei Ramirez and Jose Quintana for Taijuan Walker, Nick Franklin, and Erasmo Ramirez. The Sox already have a depleted pitching staff, why would you trade the #2 pitcher on the staff? The Sox will need pitching over the next couple of years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) Of course they do, but Redskins is a much different from the names you mentioned. For some reason, people were upset with the Chief in Champaign. He was eliminated. It didn't hurt Illinois athletics. How much of a bath did Marquette take changing their name? St. Johns used to be the Red Men. If a Redskins fan goes to another team because of the name, he or she wasn't much of a fan anyway. Unless we are American Indians, we probably don't know exactly how offensive the name is, but apparently many find it very offensive. Is there really a huge amount of people that like the Redskins just because they are named the Redskins? I really doubt it. They lost all support from this graduate. And I'm sure it's really hurt them!

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 08:18 PM) Danks ranks 83rd of 96 qualified pitchers in FIP, 95th of 96 in xFIP and 89th of 96 in SIERA. He has greatly reduced stuff and has a relatively large contract. You absolutely listen to any offer you get. As for the wishlists above, come on, ask yourselves: if you were a GM of the Mariners, would you give up anything close to Walker, Guerrero, and Wilson for Alexei? Never trade a quality mlb pitcher unless you get at least some pitching in return.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 03:36 PM) Why couldn't they just pull him at 101 pitches after 6? It's not like he was dominating. Ideally, you want him in the 115 range as much as possible to keep the endurance up. That's the only reason I can think of.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) I thought the detached lat injury was a freak thing? I heard it never has happened in baseball before, so why would that a result of his mechanics? There is no way to know for sure. However, he uses an odd follow through and deceleration. With the way it "recoils" after he releases the ball, it makes anatomical sense that it adds stress to the anterior part of the shoulder where the lat attaches. Usually, a pitcher flexes his trunk during the follow through or deceleration phase to dissipate the forces of throwing. Peavy stands almost straight up and never flexes. Rodon does a similar thing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 10:29 PM) What I have seen has move more towards the left handed batters box than the right. It has looked like Buehrle's change. That is feasible especially if he turns it over a bit. The lowered arm angle will take the ball more side to side instead of up and down.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 09:33 PM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 1m Danks slightly lowered his arm angle and that has seemed to make an enormous difference That makes the ball move differently. It'll run in on the hands of a RH more. It will be interesting if he can adjust once the hitters have seen it a few times.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) Detroit's front office has to be scared to death at that contract. From my untrained eye, he's not throwing hard and he's throwing meat up there quite often. So we add Verlander to the list of a guy signed to a contract and the team almost immediately regretting it? My god, baseball owners are so dumb to pay these long term deals. Doesn't Verlander make something like 24 million a year? He is still throwing hard. It's just now he has to overthrow to get it there and it is straightening out. He used to throw 96 with movement. Now the 96 is straight. He is going to need to learn to throw at 93 with movement and take some of the breaking pitch and change.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 10:07 PM) Several scholars have been arguing for years that the USA and Iran have very good reason to be allies with one another, due in large part to their mutually strong interest in Iraq's stability The enemy of my enemy.............

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) So places with less freedoms have fewer problems? In general, yes. Less gun violence in England were those laws mostly ban guns is an example. Planes in Isreal haven't been flown into buildings. They have real strict policies and really long wait in the airports due to security. Things like that where certain fredooms are taken away at the price of safety.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 11:12 AM) In Chris Sale's 6 home starts other than opening day, the team has averaged 18,600 fans per game. Pretty much all that needs to be said. Personally, I go to the games because 1. I love baseball 2. I'm a fan of the White Sox. I don't go for a single player. I have weekend season tickets but with two kids involved in sports it's difficult to find the time to go.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) I admit it, you got me. Truth is I am not woman enough to take the full beef, I prefer the turkey. I really do. Chicken as well. I can't ALWAYS live the high life I knew it. You are the Turkey Steverson I am the Turkey Walker

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:14 AM) The problem is the White Sox fanbase on a whole has more excuses and complaints than any fanbase around. They didn't go supposedly because the seats were the wrong color. So they changed them. Read the guys on WSI and their excuses. Honestly this is true..the video board isn't big enough., the ushers don't smile at them, there isn't enough food options, they changed the song they play in the intro, and these are supposed hard core fans. The other argument was the policy of upper deck ticketholders having no access to the lower deck. They definitely have loosened this on lightly attended games this year, but the WSI guys when it is pointed out on Sundays or for the K-Zone, you now can get a lower deck ticket for $20 or less, then cry the seat location isn't good enough. The White Sox fan will always move the bar. Like you said, 2012 was an example. Winning didn't draw people. Many said they didn't believe in the team and knew they would fade, so much to their relief in late September the team faded and thus apparently showed they didn't deserve the support the entire summer of the White Sox fan. I think the mentality will eventually change. But it is going to take a lot of winning, for a decent period of time. Exactly, look at the attendance after the WS title. It was good for a few years even with teams that didn't make the playoffs. They either need to win from the beginning of the season for a few years or get another WS title to really get decent attendance.

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) Where were all the bandwagon fans in 2012, we were in first place for 120 days and couldn't even hit the 2 million mark. Attendance has declined on the Southside every year for 6 straight years, first time that has happened in franchise history. In 2012 the Sox still drew more than what they did in the early 2000's before the WS title. By the time it came to the "magic number games" at the end of the season the Sox had started the downward spiral so they didn't get as big of a jump as they could have with having the division lead in the middle of the year. 2013 was the first really bad team in a while. It will take time to recover from that even with winning. However, you will see an increase at the end of the season if they are in it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) The attendance has been bad this year, but is anyone surprised? Last year was a terrible year for the organization, and that resulted in a loss of interest in the team by a portion of the fan base. I actually believe this year has been very good so far in terms of generating some excitement towards the organization. It's nice to see that Abreu and Sale jerseys are on sale at sporting goods stores instead of Konerko and Beckham. The Sox have two superstars to promote to their fans right now, and hopefully they add to that core in the next few years. This is true. Remember though this is still a below .500 team. As exciting as fans who follow the team think it is, as a fair weather fan you look and say "it's a losing team, who wants to see that, I'll find something else to do with my limited entertainment dollars" (yes, that's a quote). As someone said earlier, most Sox fans are bandwagon fans. After last year, the numbers won't come back until they are winning and are near a playoff spot. If they are within a few games of the playoffs in August, the attendance will go up. On a side note, I'm going to Colorado this summer. The Last time I went to Colorado in the summer was 2005 so..............

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 09:01 PM) Beer has everything to do with anything and anything to do with everything, and everything to do with everything and anything to do with anything. If Hahn had put a down a couple refreshing Miller High Lifes ™ prior to calling AA (or more realistically, AA calling him) when AA offered the propostion of Matt Tuiassopsopso for several if not many thousands of dollars of cash money, Hahn would have angrily slobbered out something like "f*** you motherf***er you stupid piece of s***!" or something along those lines. As it was he was obviiously drinking that Crappensteiner junk and thought the whole thing was a great idea. I bet his next course of action (after throwing out all of his razors/shaving equipment and resolving to not only grow a massive beard but to buy organic hemp shampoo for it like a total wuss) was to head out to the nearest Nissan dealership to buy a new Nissan Cube ™ to impress all his other heavily-bearded hipster friends he just met at the last Decemberists ™ concert. Next time you see him he'll be in sandals wearing golf pants and he'll be holding his poodle on a leash talking about penguins or some stupid s***. Thats what happens when you drink that crap. I have no idea what you said but it's impressive.