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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 07:02 PM) Baseball ref. They have a picture list of the top 12 Sox producers by WAR . Put you cursor over the pic for Saladino ,he is 8th. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2015.shtml It's all dWAR, which is like the neutrino IMO. It might exist, but who knows where the hell to look. I'm convinced he's a solid defender. I'm not convinced that over a full season he's a 4.0 dWAR player. That's like 3-5 guys in the entire league at any given time. Looking over that list though some impressive turnarounds. Of course, you don't get credit for returning from historically awful after 80 odd games. Keep playing Trayce and Shuck see if there's something there. f*** La Roche he can sit and cash his checks and help out with the faith night.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:13 PM) The mistake some are making is assuming that the very limited sample of offensive numbers we have from Saladino are very informative. That first callup usually generates some really strange hitting numbers at some point in time. I would especially shy away from assuming we know if he's this bad or this good in terms of overall production. If he hits well or badly for a week it will drastically change his season numbers. With that said, some of the same goes for the defense. He's clearly good over there, but we don't have good evidence that he's really something like one of the few best defensive 3B in the game. There's lot to be encouraged about, though, because regardless of the statistics the eye test tells us that he's at least an above average defender over there. We have his entire MiLB career and scouting reports to go off. He'll be lucky to ever hit anymore than 250/320/380. He seems to have some patience but he also tends to fall behind in counts because nobody is afraid of starting him with strike one. Saladino is a nice story and I"m glad he's proven he can play a very good 3B but I don't think he's anything other than a utility bench guy long term, at least on the next Sox playoff team. They aren't good enough elswewhere to carry his bat at 3B right now. Things can change but until other positions start to carry more weight (2B, catcher, SS, RF) they should look for a hitter at 3B.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Will his bat play as a starter if he's an average to above average defensive SS? I dunno but the Sox should probably find out in the next 40 games.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) I think Saladino is going to make an excellent utility player and a solid late inning defensive replacement. No shame in that, nothing wrong with it. That's always a valuable piece on a team. But starting? Especially at 3rd base which is a power / home run / big RBI position...can't see it. Sanchez should be an adequate / solid second baseman. Anderson may be a pretty good shortstop...we'll have to see. As far as Johnson, until he shows he can actually stay healthy it's all a moot point with him. (Or a moo point, the point of view of a cow as Joey said on "Friends...") LOL. Mark Pretty much agree with this. Saladino has proven he's an excellent defender at 3B but his bat won't play as a starter. If he can play 2B and SS adequately he's the 2016 utility IF, and he's a step up from Garcia and Boni IMO. Sanchez should be able to hit 260/300/370 next year and with his defense that's about 1.5 to 2.5 WAR. I"ll take that. Johnson needs to stay healthy and prove he can play any sort of adequate defense somewhere. Anderson looks like Alexei 2.0 IMO. Never gonna be patient but could threaten a 300 average key will be obviously can he translate his tools to above average defense and baserunning as well.

melkies hammy bothering him

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 05:38 PM) Eaton hitting more pop ups I see...over the fence. lol, summer at the cell

Avi sucks on sinkers too.

2nd time through light this guy up.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) As much as I like his offense, it's getting to the point where if Soto is catching, the pitcher is going to do bad. Uh, I don't think Soto is the one throwing meatballs and walking guys.

faith day? Who is this marketing crew? Officially out of ideas.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 05:07 PM) Seems 90% of his big hits this year have been on offspeed pitches. The fastball in on his hands or just under them...those are the balls he hasn't been able to turn on. for sure he has a long swing at times. Gets himself in trouble. He's still young I'd be shocked if he never had at least one 120 wRC+ season.

Shark might be the worst starter as of this moment. Wow. This f***ing guy has cost himself at least 20 million. Nobody is gonna give him even 2nd starter (6 years 120) now. He'll be lucky to get a multi year deal at this rate. Oh god, what if he accepts the QO.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 05:03 PM) That is what Avi is best at hitting, breaking balls. not according to the fangraphs pitch values. Maybe he hits some hangers, but he's at -3.1 runs below average on sliders. It's all the chasing most likely as I agree he does nail some hangers. And he does quite a bit of damage on middle out fastballs. I hate guests in the booth call the damn game.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:59 PM) That is interesting, indeed. Identical wRC+. More pop for Avi, more on-base for Soler. Strangest part is that Soler's plate discipline looks great, while Avi's look embarrassingly bad (from the Pitch FX numbers). Seems like Soler should be making a lot more contact, but he's actually striking out more than Avi. I wonder if he's got the Marcus Semien problem where he can't handle two-strike counts well. neither one of them can hit a breaking ball to save their lives. Avi has an absurd o-zone % of 46.4, Soler is only at 30% don't know what his problem is on them. Avi is obviously swinging at junk a lot.

eaton is an OBP machine the last month.

sit down fatass

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) Pretty amazing Carlos is out-doubling Avisail with a significant deficit in at-bats. Carlos has a pretty quick bat. Melky needs to give him some vitamins this offseason.

Eaton gets f***ed so many times on the corners. Umps just can't get lefties right sometimes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:53 PM) I am not sure why people take "could be" when talking about prospects, and then get pissed when it doesn't happen. Those are ceilings, not promises. The vast majority of guys don't hit their ceilings. exactly.

f*** yea sanchez. Sanchez is turning into a solid starter.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) No but he doesn't need to be. 20/10 guy would be fine. He will probably hit 15 home runs this year and he will continue to get better. those are outdated metrics anyways he needs to be a 2.0 war player. To get there he either needs to slash 280/330/480 or slash like he is and massively improve his defense and baserunning. I'm betting on his bat turning into an asset and his defense never getting any better than passable in RF.

I always enjoyed playing in the heat personally. So much easier to play at 90 then say 50. Everything is loser.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Exactly. He should be in left field or DH. I'd try and see how he is at 1B next spring, tell him to take some ground balls or play in the winter league and take some reps there.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:40 PM) I mean he ran into one there but I'm going to continue to bash him. He is a really bad player He didn't "run into one" he f***ing pulled his hands in, rotated his hips and drove a rocket into the gap for 2 RBI. If he can hit any inside fastball like that consistently, even ones at 89-91 he's gonna solve a lot of his problems at the plate. f*** la roach clip.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 04:40 PM) I mean he ran into one there but I'm going to continue to bash him. He is a really bad player He's 23, relax. He's showing signs, be happy.