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This threat seems to be moving more slowly than threads where people are predicting doom.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 9, 2012 -> 09:30 PM) No, I don't. I'm glad you "settle" for being used. If it's a principled stance, so be it. This isn't. Nonetheless, you are all in love again because we have a leader who loves to play people's emotions instead of being a real leader. It's sad you can't see that. A principled stance in favor of hate is still a stance in favor of hate, and you're quite clearly arguing you'd rather have that. And that goes right back to te term "disgusting" you threw around earlier.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 9, 2012 -> 09:14 PM) Jerry Owens had a chance to be a real good player? really hawk? You know Hawk would have loved that type of hitter. Heck, I thought he had a shot, he put up a good enough batting verge at Charlotte that if he could carry that over, he could at least have been the pre2011 Juan Pierre.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 9, 2012 -> 09:13 PM) BTW, I think To Be Announced is going to get overworked in our series vs KC. Thankfully we have a deep bullpen.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 9, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) Farmteam, Hes no crusader for gay rights, but hes the first President to support it, so you cant deny his role. Its like Lincoln, he was no abolitiionist, in fact he wasnt even strongly against slavery to start, but circumstances changed and thus he freed the slaves. History doesnt care about reasons, history cares about results. If Obama can get gay people equality, it wont matter the reason. To argue otherwise is nothing more than trying to create a smokescreen to obscure the actual facts, which is why Kap relies on the lowest possible form of argument, insulting the other person. You call a person a sheep, when you have nothing, when you cant respond with an actual argument, when you can not actually articulate a position. If he wants a sheep, he picked the wrong battle. Tweet I posted 2 pages ago.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 9, 2012 -> 09:05 PM) Break this SOB wide open. Done.

To have a great family? That seems like a very worthy goal from any perspective:

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 9, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) Farmteam, Even if it was done 100% for political gain, isnt that better for someone who has been denied rights, than for him to do nothing, which is seemingly what Kap prefers? Thats how ridiculous the argument is. One reading this thread might note that despite repeated prompting, there has been an absolute refusal to say that even if the motivation is bad, the decision is the right one, by these posters. A reasonable reader might well conclude that what truly angers those posters is that the Presidet no longer supports that legalized bigotry, and that is why they cannot condemn that bigotry despite prompting repeatedly.

Best bunt I've ever seen from Alexei.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 9, 2012 -> 08:16 PM) Dunn pretty much what was expected finally! That what, 10 this year and 11 last year?

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 9, 2012 -> 08:19 PM) And he uses a bigot strawman to pander, which is even more disgusting. No, the bigoted position is the disgusting one. Whatever motivation moves a person away from that is a win.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2012 -> 07:58 PM) No. I don't think he believes a word of what he is saying, and I don't get praising the man for something he obviously doesn't believe. I'd have more respect for the guy for having positions I don't agree with versus selling out for a few votes. It is the same reason I don't have any respect for guys like Mitt Romney or Jack Edwards. This isn't support. It is pandering. If a politician in the 1960s decided to pander to the growing civil rights movement, history would remember them fondly for doing so, just as should happen here. I invite you to join me in condemning politicians who fail to join in this pander.

also great news. Especially with a convention in North Carolina.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2012 -> 07:14 PM) Including us. "The finger thing means the taxes!"

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2012 -> 07:11 PM) He doesn't which is the only reason he changed his mind. Just like Mitt Romney changing his mind. And when a politician changes their mind in this direction I will applaud them and I assume you will join me in doing so, rather than supporting politicians who insist on continuing discrimination because of a different set of voters.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 9, 2012 -> 07:21 PM) If KW gets canned this year, I don't think you have to worry about his replacement trying to win now. KW has left the proverbial cupboard bare. And yet you keep insisting this team is built to win now, and should platoon its 23 year old LF with a 35 year old hitting .170 to win more games now.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:58 PM) *yawn* They weren't going to get away with that assertion without getting at least a challenge noted by me, and you know that.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:56 PM) Wow. Again, the bolded he doesn't give a flying f*** about. There's a reason why he picked today to come out of the closet... because he got his ass kicked every way possible yesterday. He just wrote off about 15% of his constituency. This has nothing to do with "bold, honorable, decent"... NOTHING. In fact, it's the opposite and makes me even sicker about it because he chose when to do this and use the gay community for his cash cow and honorable prop. It should disgust people if they had a backbone to think long enough about it. And frankly, this post and your reaction entirely disgusts me, so we're even.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) Let's not start the news media thing again. News media, other than Fox, tend to skew left...it's almost always been that way. QUOTE (greg775 @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) True. I just think because of the liberal media, the fact we currently have a handsome black president means we always for the rest of time have a handsome black president. Or "minority" president. The news media will help make it that way. I'm not going to have time to debate this, but I'm just going to drop in an assertion so that you know people don't agree with this...you're both wrong and it's been a long, long time, decades, since you could reasonably classify the media as "Liberal". Lazy, corporatist, motivated solely by money, sure. Are there Liberals in the group? Sure. Are there some liberal shows? Is CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS a markedly liberal network? No, and it's been a long time since you could actually say that, if ever.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:50 PM) Except Obama doesn't give one f*** about "society treating gay people as human instead of whatever they're treated as otherwise". Wake up. And if he cares about nothing other than getting elected, he's decided that putting his election chances out there on the line while being in favor of treating gay people like human beings would bring him benefit. And if that's the case, I still fully applaud the move and would be thrilled if Mitt Romney would also decide to risk his election chances on that same bold, honorable, decent stand.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) Aren't most GM's who are let go in the process of rebuilding? We know the next guy gets more than a year or two so that's not an issue. Yes. Hence the problem. They get stuck into rebuilding mode...forever, then the course gets short-circuited because someone decides it's time to win now. Just like you're doing every single post.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:45 PM) You people just got snowjobbed and can't even see it or see why (and it has nothing to do with North Carolina). But the ends always justify the means... Enjoy your screwjob by your president... because you just got used and abused for a political prop. If "society treating gay people as human instead of whatever they're treated as otherwise" requires me to be a political prop, I'm totally game and would encourage Mitt Romney and any other politician out there with any sense of decency to use me as a political prop over and over and over again.

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QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:34 PM) Do you want KW around for 2-3 more years to rebuild? I'm not sure...but what I definitely don't want is to start a rebuilding process with 1 guy, fire him for not succeeding, then restart the rebuilding process with another guy who only has 1-2 years before he's fired for not succeeding. That's the losing franchise trap.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:30 PM) Yes, as we discussed when they did it. His muscular strength and endurance is not where it needs to be to start and throw this many pitches at a time. There is no way the sox could know if he would run into the problem. Some pitchers can build it up faster without problems. however, I think it's safe to say that if they would have had him starting last year, the same thing would have happened and he could have done this process last year. There is no guarantee he would have pushed himself this hard in the minors but he probably would have. (Mind you, I only asked because people doubted me when I said that could have been a major factor in the other Sale thread, and I wanted you on record. Thanks!)