Balta1701

In the long term that could make them better, but it leaves the 2023 team vastly worse while they're sitting there with all those expensive assets tied down. Furthermore with Cease - unless he gets hurt, no reason to think his value declines much during '23. Paying Lynn, Grandal, etc. big money in '23 while stripping those guys out isn't a strategy that makes any sense to me. Play the first half, see if somehow things come together in a way they didn't this year, and reevaluate in July. Cease might well be worth more at the deadline anyway.

Its a results business. A guy adding pieces to his roster, extending Peavy, signing Keppinger, and believing he had a chance to be competitive, and then his team wins 63 games? We saw Arizona clean house after doing something very similar to that a year or two later. I'd rank that one as harsh, but like half the teams in the bigs would probably do it.

The only guys who would be easy to trade are Kopech, Cease, Vaughn, Anderson, Robert - there's very little pushing them to trade those guys. Not a lot of money cleared if you move them, none of them are impending FAs after the season. Many of them worth more if you wait a few months or a year. The guys who you would trade if you wanted to clear money - Lynn, Grandal, Leury, Kelly- unmovable based on their performance unless you pay someone to take them. So, those guys are going to be back next year. The guys who you wish would bring back players if they were traded - Eloy, Moncada, Giolito - underperformed so badly that they wouldn't bring a return to justify moving them. Someone is taking a flyer on those guys rather than giving the White Sox anything that makes them better. That means most of the "core" of this roster is highly likely to come back. Some guys who are movable - Graveman, Hendriks, Lopez - if you move them great, but you wind up needing to replace them and spending comparable money on them. Plus, Hendriks has a contract that makes moving him way harder. They could do something surprising, but I think it's very likely you'll see something quite close to the current roster next year. The guys you can move you shouldn't move, and the guys you'd want to move are very difficult to move.

My math said that by the end of 2016, 29 teams would have fired Rick Hahn, and a majority of them would have fired him 4 different times. (2013 collapse, 2015 playoff miss, Tatis trade, 2016 playoff miss).

The failure to invest in the farm and conflicts among the front office were definitely KW things, although somehow the latter does seem to be uniquely bad under Rick Hahn. Lots of money spent on the bullpen was a KW thing. The horrible big league scouting, these approaches at the plate - definitely uniquely confined to Hahn. The "major prospects busting" issue is also seemingly confined to Hahn, but that's in no small part because Kenny never had any.

JMO - they're going to "run it back" next season. If they miss the playoffs, they may fire Rick Hahn, but otherwise similar coaching staff. Because of the amount of money committed to the roster next year and the players who have underperformed, it will make it very difficult for whoever the GM is to make substantial moves this offseason. Next year's club will look a lot like this year's club, and they'll hope that the results come through better

Some of the White Sox's issues were issues under KW. But I noted while checking a couple nights ago, the last time the White Sox were anything other than in the top 10 for groundball rate was 2013 - in 2014, Rick Hahn hired his first hitting coach.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - firing isn't enough. There's a public tarring and feathering that I believe is more than justified. I'm ok with saying the team is on the field and avoiding any long-term damage. This offseason is already going to be a freaking mess, every near-MLB-ready prospect that they can scrounge together could really help patch the holes.

I will be the one who bites the bullet and says that I have very little problem with it if they don't make any additional moves. The lack of payroll flexibility, the lack of prospect resources - all of those things are true and worth making a stink over, but those fights don't change the fact that the white sox aren't in a good position to make very many moves right now.

Coming into the year Abrams was top 10 in MLB.

Tatis is back soon right? This Padres lineup is genuinely impressive now.

After tonight he’s on pace to finish with 150 ish innings. That’s…not bad? I probably said 140 to start the year.

Very very low. Unless this team is actually willing to push its payroll up to the tax level, as of right now they are looking at losing Abreu, Cueto, and Harrison, and having just over $20 million to spend to replace them to reach this year’s payroll. Or in other words, if they keep Abreu, they have like $2 million to spend on the rest of the roster.

In this division no chance they sell anyone off… But, the fact that they arent doing so sets up a strong possibility of a real mess this offseason, with a lot of needs and almost no money to spend.

Juan Soto?

Is there a scenario where we can try a different coaching staff?

Prior to 2021 he was very injury prone

Who?

I have no idea if this is good or bad or involves doing something in a parking lot.

They threw home for the 4th out just in case there was a replay on the close 3rd out. smart.

…good?

You guys are money with the posts this inning.

One thing about the weak contact approach, it’s actually hard to shut out.

Oh thank goodness I was wrong.