Balta1701

So we're playing 23 on 25 against Kershaw? This...may not end well....

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) I'm not sure the Pirates were ever serious contenders for Quintana. I know they were interested, but it sounded like they wanted him as if the market was going to undervalue him. This offseason always felt like the Astros or Yankees were the favorites, and then the Cubs rotation blew up and they became a perfect fit. IMO, the reason the Pirates weren't ever serious contenders is that they would not unpack Meadows. There was no way the Pirates were going to have the pieces to do it without him. They probably played around with "McCutchen to the Yankees" as a way to make it work but that never made sense.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:28 PM) So, we now have technically 3 rebuilding teams in the AL Central (I consider Twins still rebuilding), with Cleveland being a mediocre 1st place team and KC...not really sure what to think of them...not that they are good. This division could really suck it up for the next few years...and it also could be the most dominant one for the following 5-10 years. Should be interesting to see how Detroit decides to rebuild their system, as the Sox now have some competition in the rebuilding department. KC will be rebuilding starting next year, and I think the Twins goal is to no longer call themselves rebuilding next year. Detroit is a mess.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) The Tigers seem to have gotten three fringe prospects back for JD, they couldn't do any better than that? #4 prospect in a system without a top 100 guy...honestly that sounds about right to me.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) There was a second previously undisclosed meeting between Trump and Putin at G20 https://twitter.com/DafnaLinzer/status/8874...src=twsrc%5Etfw The only people present were Trump, Putin, and Putin's translator. That the President did not have a translator present is another break in standard national security protocol, although the Hill suggests the President likely would not know that (because you know, it's only been 6 months and that's not enough time to learn stuff)

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:55 PM) Exactly, but we've seen relievers come out of nowhere, pitch like this for a year, and then fall by the way side for one reason or another. You trade him now, you can probably get a top 100-150 plus a lotto ticket. You wait and he continues, then you are bringing in even better prospects. You wait and he flops, you are looking at a DFA and hoping to get a live body. If I'm moving him now, I think I want a guy who is top 100, maybe even pushing top 75. If I'm getting 2 guys, I would go 2 guys in the 100-150 range. But, I'm also listening to my coaches and scouts a lot, and if they keep telling me he's the real deal that would probably be enough to shut it down. With what we've piled up so far I'll roll the dice on getting back the next CFrazier.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) At the end of the day, the Sox should be shopping Tommy Kahnle very heavily, but if they do not get a substantial enough offer, they should keep on to him. I look back to Andrew Miller. The first time he was traded at the deadline, he netted the Red Sox Eduardo Rodriguez. The next time was dealt at the deadline, he netted the Yankees Freyereisen, Sheffield, Frazier, and Heller, which is a much larger and better package. The Sox are going to be bad again next year. If teams have roughly 100 innings to see a new and improved Kahnle, they are going to be more willing to meet the asking price. At the same time, if he gets hurt, then you're SOL. If Kahnle does the exact same job for the next 1 year that he's done for the last 4 months...he's worth a top 50 in baseball prospect. Maybe top 25. Reliever putting up 2+ WAR seasons, still pre-arb until after 2018 and under team control through the end of 2020? That's a top 10 in baseball reliever being paid $500k. The only reason he's not worth that yet is he hasn't established a track record of consistency. You might move him now just to get a head start on things, but you absolutely need a return to make it worth the trade.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) I'd agree with Balta. Oh, and the other thing I forgot to add - I liked that it seemed like they were extremely respectful of the comic book history. I don't know nearly all of it, but seeing people who do know the series gawking at some of the details or characters they included makes me feel quite good about how they handled this character.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 08:48 AM) I'm horrible because I thought SM:H was just ok. Like I enjoyed it but it wasn't as great as other Marvel movies to me. I'll go back under my rock. I thought it was the movie it needed to be. It's not in my top 5 Marvel films and it didn't reshape the universe, but the universe already exists even though Spiderman is basically the most famous character from it. If they tried to make it too big, they wouldn't have done justice to either the character or the universe. Basically they needed to tell a good tale with the kid and they told a good tale about him being a kid. I cannot disagree with those who would put it solidly in their top 5, because it was a solid film from a perspective we haven't seen much from Marvel, so if you really liked the high school setting then no complaints. I think there's plenty of room for people to have random ones from this series that they like that others don't - I'm much more a fan of Thor 2 than almost anyone I've run into (thought it was an excellent sci-fi flick). I think now they've got a strong movie with him, they've got the kid where he needs to be before Avengers34, and he's taking the lead in opening phase 4 which should make for a much more epic, big picture film. I think I put this one just outside my top 5, but in a muddle with like 4 other pictures in that range.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) Trump dropping repeal, says he will "Let Obamacare fail." To me that means, "Obamacare isn't that bad. I just wanted to replace it because the black guy implemented it. Aw shucks." If they don't pay insurance cost-sharing subsidies or they refuse to enforce the mandate penalties the entire ACA Marketplace will collapse within 1 fiscal year and there will be no such thing as an individual insurance market. They can do this.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) I'd be curious to see what the question was. There's a difference IMO between people believing that Trump Jr. met with a Russian citizen versus "Russia" or an agent of Russia. Do we know if those Russians in the meeting were agents speaking on behalf of the Putin? Re the bolded, in case you didn't see this here's an ex-CIA officer interpretation saying "If they were trying to actively recruit them this is exactly what step 3 or 4 in the process would look like"

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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) I'm not sure I would sell Kahnle for Chavis + fringe prospect. Chavis has certainly hit well this season, but his defense is still suspect committing 14 errors in 38 games at 3B. He looks like a 1B/DH prospect to me, which limits his value. Someone suggesting that Kahnle + Frazier is a weaker deal than Robertson + Frazier right now hasn't really done their homework. They're just following the bigger name, former Yankee + closer.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:03 AM) I take it back. Anderson would be about #8 or 9. But, the top 15 that the Sox have right now, gives them the best system that they've had in many years. That's my guess about where he'd be if he were still in the system also, because I think he'd be raking in AAA and ready for a callup.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Can Kahnle get a top 100 prospect? I'm really not sure of that. He's such an interesting case that I'm still not sure what exactly his value is. Obviously, if you're not getting a great offer for him then you hold onto him but I'll be interested to see what happens there. If he cannot get a top 100 prospect (or maybe 2 in the 120 range that your team likes or something like that), that's a good "hold him" level. Same numbers for another full season and we're talking top 50, slight decline from these levels and we're still at top 100.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 05:06 PM) You can choose to believe him if you want (and I see no reason not to) but Hahn said point blank "it was by far the best offer". I'm guessing that means that probably nobody else was offering two top 100 guys, and that nobody else was including a top #5ish stud like Eloy if they were. The only team that showed interest that could possibly have made a comparable offer is the Braves with Albies. There's been back and forth about whether or not he was actually ever put on the table.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:26 PM) Sounds like a great change-of-scenery (again) candidate! Yeah, I'm generally ok with a couple guy like that in the next year or two, as long as there are some positive influence guys (Abreu, Garcia) sticking around. Heck, Holland has seemed like a great guy to have around, so there's probably likely to be a few quality guys around.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) Kahnle's return isn't optimistic at all if anything its slightly below what the market has previously dictated for relievers of his caliber; Groome had a lat issue earlier this season in addition to make up concerns and is currently ranked at 87th and Chavis is experiencing a break out of his own and ranked 96th. As it stands right now it just depends if Hahn wants to roll the dice again with a reliever, he has seen similar situations play out before with Crain and Jones but if he does I expect next deadline provided Kahnle produces to bring back two prospects in the 60-100 range and a lotto ticket. Frazier himself should bring back Ockimey & Mata as it stands so that return for both is light. If Robertson is moved to the Yankees I doubt they go after Andujar or that the yankees move him; Mateo makes too much sense for a number of reasons for both clubs; he is behind their top prospects at every position, and even further down the line if he his moved to the OF, currently taking up space on the 40 man and that is going to be a crunch going forward and he is experiencing a resurgence in AA so it makes sense to sell high after his mediocre stint at A+ this year. For the sox he gives them an interesting option if in the next 2 years Anderson can't get it together at the major league level. Abreu as the second piece makes sense as well because of his distance to the show and he is going to eat up another 40 man spot this offseason. for the rest of the season the projection systems are expecting Frazier to produce another .9-1.2WAR and if you go by fangraphs values for prospect ratings he should be worth a 45FV hitter or 45-50FV pitcher. Kahnle is currently 27 is projected between .3-.5WAR for the rest of the season, if you project him to produce 4.5WAR(1.5 per) over his next three years before he is a FA his value not including his salary is roughly 44.6M including the remainder of this year and it doesn't factor in a potential comp pick as the next cba isn't till '21. Take all that into account and I feel some on this board are severely underrating his value. The bolded is the rub. You're not making him Andrew Miller from 2016-2017, but you're making him an elite pitcher and saying he will stay there. Some guys who will probably put up that number for the full season include ~Wade Davis, Brad Hand, Ryan Madson. 1.5 WAR each year means he's a top 30 reliever in baseball each of the next 3 years, and it only takes a small step for him to be top 10. The big question we all are struggling with in trying to determine his trade value is whether or not that is true. If you think he's a 1.5 WAR+ reliever each of the next 3 years, then I think the people who are saying we should hold him are probably right - I have serious doubts about whether we'll get that quality of return for him and wait until 2018 to move him once he's established that this is really who he is.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 30m30 minutes ago More have heard redsox very much like old friend jed lowrie, too, as written before. so he's a possibility for them to play 3B as well. I don't buy Lowrie to the BoSox as anything other than posturing because they're not going to bring in someone who plays Devers' position and have him potentially blocked out of ST next year. That's not their style, nor should it be. If they slog through a month next year with a replacement level player at 3b out of ST because something slowed Devers in ST or in August and September of this year they'd be more ok with that than paying a higher price for Lowrie. Frazier being only on a 1 year deal is a perfect fit for them and everyone knows it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Good lord. I'm cynically reading that as now that MLB cut them off they are just going to roll with a 20 million dollar payroll to pay for their stadium. Just force a sale of that ridiculous franchise. Isn't this to also tempt new potential ownership groups per that article?

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) I don't want that douche anywhere near our team, no matter what the plan is. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) If we're going by the Cubs model, Bauer is the exact type of guy Theo and Co. would be targeting. Elaborate on why he's a ******?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) Yeah I would be very very happy if we ended up with those three. That seems optimistic to me, but of course I'd agree.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) This whole thing is just f***ed. I still believe they will get it done.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 08:35 PM) Would you trade for him injured because the Sox forced him to pitch too much? If he can't pitch then why am I trading anything for him in the first place?