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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) starting with the Sox last year. LOL

QUOTE (11and1 @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 01:04 AM) Throw Ozzie under a real bus, with KW driving and all the players on board. Rinse and repeat with Greg Walker. Spend whatever it takes to hire a no-BS manager who commands respect and demands maximum effort every day. (See the Bulls pre and post Thibodeau and the Blackhawks pre and post Quennville.) He doesn't need to be fun or interesting or a fan favorite, and he should be way too busy trying to win to spend time tweeting. Ozzie lost the team a while ago and it's time for the team to lose Ozzie. I'm seriously getting an erection reading these last few posts.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 12:31 AM) We have been saying this for years ... Honestly, why not replace Ozzie at this point? It can't get any worse regardless of who they choose. Besides, why do the fans care about having a manager who the "players like playing for (so long as you don't ask any alumni)" or continuing to accept a manager who has led high talent / high payroll teams to success so rarely, especially in a relatively weak division? Bring in an a hole to shake-up the place to see if they can get something going to save this year, if not shop during the offseason for a new staff... Not showing-up or in the words of the Tigers broadcasters "not being there" is 100% Ozzie's fault. He should be fired alone for the ridiculously s#itty team he put on the field today. Why continue to back this guy when he has done nothing to justify his role in recent years and has done plenty to force people to question his judgement and management style? Just saying, it's broken, what do we have to lose by going in a new direction? I love you.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 09:59 PM) Who? Who is going to succeed Guillen? Initially they'd bring in Cora on an interim basis and then who knows who they bring in. The only guy I can ever think of that got fired midseason and the team went on to succeed was Torborg in 2003 being replaced by McKeon. 1 time out of the hundreds of others doesn't seem to be good, especially when it's a veteran ballclub like this. If s*** doesn't work this year, you make wholesale changes next year. Seems simple enough to me. That's been said a few times over the years. These changes never come. It's entirely reasonable to hold somebody accountable during this season. It doesn't have to be Ozzie, but somebody needs to take the fall for this horrendous start. I'm not sure people understand just how bad this start is. Reinsdorf is probably pulling his hair out. We've pumped this payroll up higher than it's ever been. We were told that it would be completely necessary to draw a lot of fans to help support the inflated payroll. And because of the necessity to draw fans, the team would have to come out strong from the get-go unlike their normal routine of taking April off. Not only have they not done well, they have the second-worst record in the entire sport. They are basically assured to not draw fans throughout May at this point. This means that they will have to draw a lot of people to the games for the remaining four months. The only way that will happen is if the team turns it around in a big way. Somebody will be the sacrificial lamb this season. I mean, it has to happen and it will be completely justified.

QUOTE (T R U @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) So? I don't care about this site, I care about whats on the field.. This is just a great place (most of the time) to talk about the Sox, but some people make it unbearable.. Maybe those will be the ones who are gone! If they are done then they can dismantle or do whatever in July.. I still don't know why people want people fired right now and people traded/released whatever in fn April.. there are a LOT of things that can happen, and if they are still a failure come late June-July, then yeah I expect changes to be made.. but until then they deserve a chance to right the ship with the "All-In" mentality that went into this year.. For the love of Christ, many of us have been asking for someone to be fired for years. IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT THIS APRIL.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 07:20 PM) I'd hope I could find some rational thoughts on what's become a really reactive and irrational message board that sometimes shows signs of being an intelligent grouping of baseball knowledge. Then I'd realize that if there's a rough stretch, everyone wants someone fired, just so the team can keep doing the same thing, with a different over-paid, face in the locker room. Translation: nobody will ever lose their jobs no matter what.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) You gotta make a change of some kind at this point CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE NEVER WORKS! YOU'RE JUST REACTING TO A RECENT SET OF GAMES! ADWOIAHGOIJHADGISOHLKWAHGLKHAG!!!1!!1

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) I liked it. So I guess I am in the middle. I agree more with this sentiment. It was good enough, but that movie should not have been nominated for Best Picture.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) So 127 hours wasn't good. Yep.

Roland was a warrior from the Land of the Midnight Sun With a Thompson gun for hire, fighting to be done

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) While in this particular instance I disagree with him, I think he has a point. Almost everyone here seems to believe that there is no downside to dumping money and time/patience into player development. As if it's just a simple matter of the more you invest, the better the return. That simply is not the case, and yet no one seems willing to discuss it. There are all kinds of pitfalls involved in spending big dollars on high-profile prospects, whether they be a high attrtition rate, trying to determine which players to hold on to and which to move, the time spent trying to develop these players, including the opportunity costs involved, etc. It simply is not an open and shut case. While no one would argue that having a farm system full of elite talent is a bad thing, it's not just a matter of spending the money = elite, cost-controlled talent all across the diamond on your parent club. Now I do agree with what Fathom pointed out, and I think the Red Sox are probably the best example of that philosophy. They're willing to trade just about any player in their system for proven talent. When they do bring up a homegrown player to the parent club, it's usually because there were no better options, not because they had some grand plan for that player. I really wish we would pay over slot so we could more closely emulate that philosophy, not so I could watch Gordon Beckham alternate between the next Chase Utley and the next Bobby Hill.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) The only player on that list we actually drafted and developed is Chris Sale, a can't miss that any idiot could turn into a good player. I appreciate the effort, though. I feel like I'm going to point this out in a ton of threads as well, but April and May games count. In fact, our performance in them was probably the #1 reason we missed the playoffs last year. Many years.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) It appears that Daisuke Matsuzaka has figured some s*** out in the past week or so...has a 14 inning scoreless streak going. Additionally, they really have to do something about the situation where a closer blows the save, then his team retakes the lead and he becomes the pitcher of record and picks up the win. He should be automatically disqualified from picking up the win if he blew the game in the first place. I agree wholeheartedly with that second paragraph. In regards to the first, I'm pretty sure that's his thing. He'll have stretches of being great, and then he'll have a bunch of games where he only pitches 5 innings and gives up 5 runs.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) Looking for some action and violence so gonna watch "Faster". Not asking for much. And you won't get it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:12 PM) At what point do you bench Rios? Definitely seems like he's taking his struggles at the plate to the field. Who cares anymore? It's starting to look like the players have given up on the team more than we pessimists have.

Somebody mentioned it already, but it's hilarious that so few games is not enough to be worried about the Sox. But on the other hand, a few starts for the Sox last year was certainly enough to declare that Hudson would never cut it in the AL and a similar amount this year is sufficient to prove he's not good at all.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:37 PM) I see that fox interviewed peavy in the third inning today - anyone catch this? What was said? Almost nothing, as the inning was over immediately. Just the same old fluff, really.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:14 PM) It doesn't take much for this board to get to this point. I can't believe there continue to be posts like this. How bad does this team have to get before it's "reasonable" to be upset? I mean, do they have to be the consensus worst team in baseball? Even then, it's probably not acceptable to some because at some point in the entire history of the game, some team probably went from last in all of the sport to first.

Sick of this team

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 10:14 AM) The flip side is that they have at least been in it pretty much every year of the Ozzie/KW team, except for 2007. Plus flags fly forever. When you prove that you can win, you get well deserved leeway. People love to forget how the won 90 games in 2006 after having a pitching staff throw a whole extra month which I think is pretty impressive. Plus KW has made some great trades to get this team where it is (McCarthy for Danks comes to mind right away) There are issues I have (stop playing small ball Ozzie; Draft better KW) but these kinds of "FIRE EVERYONE POSTS IT'S 17 GAMES!!!!!" have me questioning if people have been through an actual baseball season before. And as he said, which people seem to ignore each time, is that this isn't a reaction to the most recent play of the team. He and I (and quite a lot of people) have wanted a change for a long time. The recent play is just additional reasoning to want it. We can say this all year (we have done so for the last few seasons) and when it happens again next year, somebody like you will AGAIN say, "you're just overreacting to a small sample size!"

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 09:43 AM) This KW/Ozzie duo has lived off of 2005. Prior to that KW, never once made the playoffs in four years. And since then, he has only made the playoffs one year. So that's two playoff appearances in 10 years when on most years, two of the other five teams in the division are 70-win clubs. The Sox have had the highest payroll numerous years and been in the top two probably every year in the division. I have been on the fire KW/Ozzie bandwagon since 2007 and still am there. Screw loyalty, baseball is a business and KW/Ozzie are not doing their jobs. Yes, the Sox have had the highest or second highest payroll each year since KW took over. And yes, I'm fairly certain that the division has been home to 2 of the worst 3 teams in the AL in every year, too.

Just a question, but when is it officially OK to worry about this team? I'm looking for an exact date.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) YEAH MARK PRIOR HAS MADE AS MANY APPEARANCES IN AAA AS THIS FOOL Seriously though, it's starting to feel like all of those Prior/Wood "simulated games" and "towel exercises" that we used to hear all about.

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 05:32 AM) If we pool all of our Soxtalk resources, think we could buy the Dodgers? We could run it my committee, we'd win a WS every year. You have such an open disdain for this place.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) Who would I argue on our roster has been better than D1? Jackson? I don't even mean it as an insult. Guys like you and Badger just love to argue and play the devil's advocate. So when I made a definitive statement such as Danks has unquestionably been the best starter, I almost expect a rebuttal.