Milkman delivers

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) Not in 2011 you don't Exactly. EDIT: Glad to finally agree with you on something, lol

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) I dunno about you guys, but I'd take a player that turns out to be "dominant" at any position on the field from my first round draft pick. Yes, and it doesn't make sense to me to force a guy to do one thing because you think it offers more potential when it seems fairly obvious that he can succeed greatly in another position with much less of an injury risk.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:43 PM) Not if he turns out to be a really, really good reliever or closer. Good relievers aren't as easy to come by as you're making it sound. They're actually quite the opposite. 3E8's post is not a "loser attitude", it's a realistic attitude. No team goes into the draft throwing darts because they're conceding that they're first pick will probably stink. But that doesn't mean they are unaware of the fact that it's probable the player won't pan out. It could also be considered a "loser attitude" to force a guy to start in the minors when he adds a significant amount of value to the major league team as a reliever in a year where you're obviously going for it all.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) That is exactly how I feel about it. It helps the team in 2011, but it hurts them in 2012 and on when Sale isn't ready to start. Being a starting pitcher is akin to being a marathon runner. Just because you can run a nice 100 meter time, doesn't mean you can do that for 26.2 miles. You have to build up and condition yourself to get up to that distance. Going 200 innings in a year is the same way. If you are conditioned for it, you are going to do your body more harm than good if you just try to go out and run a marathon without being prepared for it. All I care about at this point is 2011, and the White Sox have shown that they are in this season to go for it all. That means having Chris Sale in the bullpen. I personally don't give a f*** about his career (not to be an asshole, but I seriously don't give a s*** about one particular player). The best option for the 2011 team is to have Sale in the bullpen. If that screws up his career in the worst case scenario, so be it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) It's all a matter of opinion, I guess. I don't think Adam Dunn alone makes this a great off-season. And I'm not thrilled at all by Crain or Ohman. Especially Crain. Again, nothing negative to say about the Dunn signing. And I'm glad we brought PK back, even though, and we agree, that he's not likely to repeat his 2010. I have no idea how one can look at Crain's body of work and be at all thrilled. He was good last season. But the 3 years prior to that he was very mediocre. And I just can't get excited over Loogy's. Yes, I do. But then you have to factor in the likely Konerko regression and the fact will be without our number 1 starter for likely quite some time and we won't even know how effective he'll be once he eventually does come back. I guess it would be hard to be worse than A.J. was last year. But I don't expect some renaissance at age 35. I, of course, would love to be wrong. I think Beckham will be better. But he needs to be A LOT better. Because last year for the most part was pathetic. The bolded is driving me crazy. Yes, they won 88 games. But how many of those came after the Sox were long out of it and playing teams [the Sox were doing the same] that were either shutting their main guys down because they were either resting them or their teams were already out of it and evaluating young guys for next year? And what do you mean added depth? How does losing Putz and Jenks and adding Crain and a loogy give us more depth? I'm torn with Santos. I've become a big proponent of pitcher peripherals. And outside of his K/9, which were good, they were mediocre. And then there's always the challenge of making adjustments when hitters get to see you the second time around. And I totally disagree that the pitching staff will be better without Peavy for an extended time or a healthy Peavy when he comes back. Could it be good enough? Yes. But I doubt it will be better. Sure, this team has enough talent that if most everything goes right they can win 95 games. But I thought that last year. And I think we had a solid/good off-season highlighted by one great addition. So I guess will agree to disagree there. It was just a simple hypothetical. I'm getting the idea by many that simply adding Adam Dunn makes this a great offseason. I disagree. Simple as that. True. Like I said, it was a hypothetical. I love Dunn. But I'm not crazy about anything else we've done. Well, of course, bringing PK back. Wow, you are turning into such a rain cloud

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) I think we're pretty much done and I couldn't be happier with what we've done this offseason! Well, I could be happier with the offseason, but I'm very happy with it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 12:47 AM) "Shameless" on Showtime was a great pilot, despite the joke made about White Sox fans! "Episodes", on the other hand, might have been the worst pilot I can recall ever watching. I wasn't even aware that Shameless started already. I'm glad it's on at night on Sunday, though, since I need replacements for all of the great programming that's usually on at that time. William H. Macy is pretty great, so I expect it to be at least decent. And yes, what was the joke?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 04:02 AM) And nothing says "stunting a career" like throwing your 1st RD draft pick into a career in the bullpen before he ever gets a fair shot at starting. Drafting a reliever in the 1st RD is an awful way to draft. Why the hell can't we do what the Rangers did with Feliz last year? Give him one full year in the bullpen to the advantage of the entire team, and stretch him out to start next year. Everyone acts like him pitching out of the bullpen for a year is going to f*** his entire career up beyond repair.

Cage is only good when he plays a neurotic character, which is probably what he is in real life.

I'm excited about this team. I really like this bullpen, especially if they start Sale in the rotation and move him to closer after Peavy's return.

SALE FOR CLOSER! SALE FOR CLOSER! SALE FOR CLOSER!

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) I left like a minute after you. That's right I am one minute better (cue inside joke) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) and peeing 7 times, lol Three, and the last was just so I didn't have to piss on the way home lol

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) Nonetheless, it was good to hang out. Yeah, I had a good time. It was crowded as hell at first, but then it completely cleared out. How long did you guys stick around?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:38 PM) I was thinking I remembered Alexei hitting breaking balls better this year, and he did. He was actually a good hitter against every pitch except changeups and split-finger fastballs this past year. He has struggled against curveballs in the past, but that is definitely something that can be improved upon and was this year. Hopefully he continues to do so and puts up another 50 extra base hits. Then again, who is?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 07:51 AM) Sorry, when I edited I somehow dropped the first line which read "Seconding Milkman" LOL, I just figured you hadn't read the thread and just threw in your opinion. No need to apologize, it's not like it bothered me.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) Drinking beer-water hybrids does not count. Your face doesn't count.

I think I earned some votes for the Soxtalk Drinking Buddy award, at least in the sense that I can out-drink you guys.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 12:02 AM) Awesome reference. Scrubs?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) I don't mind tossing this in, knowing some people will scream, but haviong spent so much time outside Chicago, there are waaaaay too many people who believe Thomas was on PEDs as well. Just because of his size, and many remember him tearing a bicep. But that is the average, doesn't know s***, baseball fan outside Chicago. I assume that 92% of the baseball writers are smarter than that. Haha, did you see my post? I said the exact same thing.

Is anyone for sure going to be there at 6? I'm always on time and I really don't want to be sitting there looking around for people I might not even recognize

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) A thread about "realistic expectations" for Dunn is pretty funny. He's arguably the most consistent player in all of baseball. It's almost freakish, really: 2004 - 46 HR, 102 RBI, .266 avg 2005 - 40 HR, 101 RBI, .247 avg 2006 - 40 HR, 92 RBI, .234 avg 2007 - 40 HR, 106 RBI, .264 avg 2008 - 40 HR, 100 RBI, .236 avg 2009 - 38 HR, 105 RBI, .267 avg 2010 - 38 HR, 103 RBI, .260 avg So let's see, I'll go out on a big limb for 2011: 40 HRs, 100 RBIs, .250 avg, .900 ops, 190 K's. The only thing that's relatively inconsistent is the average.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:10 PM) Well, twice if you use bWAR, which I find to be more accurate for pitchers than fWAR. I think he's safely a 3-win pitcher. But you're right, not an elite guy. GOD DAMN IT! What is this stat now?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:24 AM) FYI - Not sure if this place serves food or not but I've made arrangements for the vegan food truck to make a stop in front at 6:30. It's a tavern and grill, so they better have some f***ing food.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 03:29 AM) Willie had me rollin'. And you know how fathom is. He could turn a sexual encounter with Beyonce into a negative experience. You would think the b**** could afford some Vagisil.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:54 AM) If TG played for in NY, he'd be a cultural icon in this country. He's everything that was right in baseball during the 80's and 90's.