Milkman delivers

If people are going to bring up the worst PBP guys, you can't forget Hawk.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) At least J4L had logical reasons to look at things the way he did. Agreed.

Hey J4L, I think someone is about to pass you over as the resident whipping boy QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 02:57 PM) Go ahead and explain why Adam Dunn has never managed to finish in the 20 in NL MVP voting in his entire 10 year career ? How is it that the guy is so valuable but never happens to be even one the 20 best in the National League? Let's hear your excuses for that. In fact, you couldn't even find 1 star player that never did that. Go ahead - find one. There's no point in arguing with you. Your arguments are fraught with terrible logic.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) Run producer? I guess that you and I are talking about two different players. I'm talking Adam Dunn. I'm talking about a guy that HAS to hit 40 home runs to barely knock in 100 runs. That's what happens when he can't touch the ball 1 out of 3 trips to the plate and have a .250 average. You can't hardly drive in a run unless you hit it out of the park. And, 38 -40 homers is a lot but it isn't 45-55. For comparison's sake in the NL last year- Juan Uribe knocked in 85 and SS Troy Tulowittzki missed 30 games and knocked in 95. I guess that's why Dunn has never finished in the top 20 in the NL MVP voting even once in his career. I guess others don't think he's very valuable either. Maybe, that's why he's never been in a playoff game or even played on a team with a winning record. However, the Reds somehow got better as soon as he left. Hey, I'm not saying the guy is worthless but he's hardly a star or a great player and that's a big contract. Especially, when there are much better hitters still out there that the Sox could have saved a lot of money on the DH spot. Let's see Vlad Guerrero, a HOF hitter that just knocked in 115 last year(much more than Dunn ever did) and batted .300 again for about $ 5-6 mil. or the 200 K king for $ 56 mil ? Hilarious.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) To be clear, I was not at all saying it was a GOOD reason. Just that for some, it may be their reason. Oh, I completely understood and you are correct. It likely will come into play. It's just the dumbest reasoning on Earth, though.

Hm, apparently Farnsworth is a Mormon. That just seems weird.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 12:23 AM) Man, I used to be one of the more optimistic posters around when I was younger but that changed big time and I became more of an asshole and more negative as a poster for the last few years. I just have happened to love this offseason and you don't(not that you hate it), J4L. You just have very strong opinions as of late and that's going to rub a lot of people the wrong way and you're going to get fired back at. I'm certainly not trying to pick on you and you know I've respected you as a poster forever but I just happen to disagree with you on a lot of what you've been saying lately and just as you have the right to post your opinions, others have a right to argue some of the things that you've said. Thing is, everyone just has to make sure to not cross the lines on personal attacks which has been happening as of late. It's funny, but I think I've gone the opposite way. I think I've mellowed out a ton and become more positive.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) YAS, good to see you! And I agree, though I'd add: 4. Maddux and Glavine on same ballot, plus whatever holdovers, may make it crowded 5. Even though he's generally considered clean, his whole era for power hitting will always be questioned 6. Frank did not exactly have a fantastic relationship with the media That is, by far, the worst reason for any player to not get votes. I understand that you're just making a point (and a valid one, at that), but a player's relationship with the media should have absolutely no bearing on his chances at getting into the HOF.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Jan 12, 2011 -> 04:01 AM) I'd get sick of the schtick. Isn't the Penguins' guy the same way? Yuck. The way I understand it, he doesn't do those calls for every goal, just in specific situations. I want to say that he only does them when the game is a blowout, when you need a little something else to keep the casual fan interested.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 11, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) Offense is taking a dip like crazy right now. League average wOBA dropped all the way down from .328 to .321 last year. OPS dropped even more. It could be that last year was an outlier, but the fact of the matter is that offense is declining sharply in baseball. Alright, what exactly is happening in your avatar? I see Beltre overreacting to Martinez touching his hair, but what is going on with Pedroia?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) Sale needs to be a starter this year and in the future because we can't just look at one year at a time. Yes, we are an improved team from last year, but that doesn't make us a favorite or an auto-clinch for the division much less the WS. The Sox need to put themselves in the very best situation to succeed year in and year out, that means maximizing the few high end prospects they have in value, meaning getting Sale ready to be a 200 inning pitcher next year. I would much rather the Sox have a plan to succeed at a top level over 4-5 years than just one big chance for one year, since it's baseball and so much can happen to derail your team. Yeah, like sending one of your most important relievers to the minors.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Didn't Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig die years ago? You're on thin ice, my friend.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) That was the point of my whole argument, we're going for it in 2011 so you don't care "what about Sale in 2014??????". I also don't buy that 1 year in the bullpen will hurt his arm or any of that bs. Completely agree on all of that.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 03:05 PM) Somewhat. Either way it doesn't matter, as none of are able to do something as well as others. Why, whoever do you mean?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 12:26 PM) Tosh.0 returns tomorrow night followed by the premier of the Onion Sportsdome. That onion show might have a lot of potential, but it may also be terrible.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 12:02 PM) I spent the night unpacking boxes upon moving to a new house. Yeah, I'd rather have been drinking. BS, I thought I told you a few days back I was out, sorry if I was unclear. Hope to make it next time. We actually had a discussion about you. We weren't surprised that the others who mentioned that they'd be there didn't show up, but we all were surprised that you didn't keep to your word

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) Not in 2011 you don't Exactly. EDIT: Glad to finally agree with you on something, lol

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) I dunno about you guys, but I'd take a player that turns out to be "dominant" at any position on the field from my first round draft pick. Yes, and it doesn't make sense to me to force a guy to do one thing because you think it offers more potential when it seems fairly obvious that he can succeed greatly in another position with much less of an injury risk.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:43 PM) Not if he turns out to be a really, really good reliever or closer. Good relievers aren't as easy to come by as you're making it sound. They're actually quite the opposite. 3E8's post is not a "loser attitude", it's a realistic attitude. No team goes into the draft throwing darts because they're conceding that they're first pick will probably stink. But that doesn't mean they are unaware of the fact that it's probable the player won't pan out. It could also be considered a "loser attitude" to force a guy to start in the minors when he adds a significant amount of value to the major league team as a reliever in a year where you're obviously going for it all.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) That is exactly how I feel about it. It helps the team in 2011, but it hurts them in 2012 and on when Sale isn't ready to start. Being a starting pitcher is akin to being a marathon runner. Just because you can run a nice 100 meter time, doesn't mean you can do that for 26.2 miles. You have to build up and condition yourself to get up to that distance. Going 200 innings in a year is the same way. If you are conditioned for it, you are going to do your body more harm than good if you just try to go out and run a marathon without being prepared for it. All I care about at this point is 2011, and the White Sox have shown that they are in this season to go for it all. That means having Chris Sale in the bullpen. I personally don't give a f*** about his career (not to be an asshole, but I seriously don't give a s*** about one particular player). The best option for the 2011 team is to have Sale in the bullpen. If that screws up his career in the worst case scenario, so be it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) It's all a matter of opinion, I guess. I don't think Adam Dunn alone makes this a great off-season. And I'm not thrilled at all by Crain or Ohman. Especially Crain. Again, nothing negative to say about the Dunn signing. And I'm glad we brought PK back, even though, and we agree, that he's not likely to repeat his 2010. I have no idea how one can look at Crain's body of work and be at all thrilled. He was good last season. But the 3 years prior to that he was very mediocre. And I just can't get excited over Loogy's. Yes, I do. But then you have to factor in the likely Konerko regression and the fact will be without our number 1 starter for likely quite some time and we won't even know how effective he'll be once he eventually does come back. I guess it would be hard to be worse than A.J. was last year. But I don't expect some renaissance at age 35. I, of course, would love to be wrong. I think Beckham will be better. But he needs to be A LOT better. Because last year for the most part was pathetic. The bolded is driving me crazy. Yes, they won 88 games. But how many of those came after the Sox were long out of it and playing teams [the Sox were doing the same] that were either shutting their main guys down because they were either resting them or their teams were already out of it and evaluating young guys for next year? And what do you mean added depth? How does losing Putz and Jenks and adding Crain and a loogy give us more depth? I'm torn with Santos. I've become a big proponent of pitcher peripherals. And outside of his K/9, which were good, they were mediocre. And then there's always the challenge of making adjustments when hitters get to see you the second time around. And I totally disagree that the pitching staff will be better without Peavy for an extended time or a healthy Peavy when he comes back. Could it be good enough? Yes. But I doubt it will be better. Sure, this team has enough talent that if most everything goes right they can win 95 games. But I thought that last year. And I think we had a solid/good off-season highlighted by one great addition. So I guess will agree to disagree there. It was just a simple hypothetical. I'm getting the idea by many that simply adding Adam Dunn makes this a great offseason. I disagree. Simple as that. True. Like I said, it was a hypothetical. I love Dunn. But I'm not crazy about anything else we've done. Well, of course, bringing PK back. Wow, you are turning into such a rain cloud

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) I think we're pretty much done and I couldn't be happier with what we've done this offseason! Well, I could be happier with the offseason, but I'm very happy with it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 12:47 AM) "Shameless" on Showtime was a great pilot, despite the joke made about White Sox fans! "Episodes", on the other hand, might have been the worst pilot I can recall ever watching. I wasn't even aware that Shameless started already. I'm glad it's on at night on Sunday, though, since I need replacements for all of the great programming that's usually on at that time. William H. Macy is pretty great, so I expect it to be at least decent. And yes, what was the joke?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 04:02 AM) And nothing says "stunting a career" like throwing your 1st RD draft pick into a career in the bullpen before he ever gets a fair shot at starting. Drafting a reliever in the 1st RD is an awful way to draft. Why the hell can't we do what the Rangers did with Feliz last year? Give him one full year in the bullpen to the advantage of the entire team, and stretch him out to start next year. Everyone acts like him pitching out of the bullpen for a year is going to f*** his entire career up beyond repair.

Cage is only good when he plays a neurotic character, which is probably what he is in real life.