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Still think this offense just runs smoother when Kirk is running the point

Things rock being wwe champion does. People who are not wwe fans or haven't been in years will talk about this.

Looks as if the bulls lose was a schedule loss and nothing more. Luckily the wizards will not be competing with is form seeding

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 11:09 PM) Why is this impressive. I hate how ESPN is sucking this guys dick. He made a half court shot. Not like its impossible or anything.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 22, 2013 -> 05:31 PM) We're comparing him to Kirk Hinrich, and Nate's hit some big shots. Kirk does the same thing to a much higher degree with regards to holding the ball. PER Nate Robinson - 16.7 Rip Hamilton - 13.4 Kirk Hinrich - 10.5 Marquis Teague - 5.8 Oh, and for s***'s and giggles, Deron Williams has a PER of 18 and Ty Lawson has a PER of 14.6. Nate's been pretty valuable this year to a team that greatly lacks scoring. I just feel that the offense runs smoother when Hinrich is in. I'm not denying Nate hasn't hit some big shots.

f*** Nate Robinson. The offense sucks when he is in. "Hey I'm goingn to dribble back and forth for 16 seconds and then go ISO and throw up a terrible shot" There are literally possessions where he is on the court where he holds the ball for the entire 24 seconds.

Jimmy Butler is a good basketball player

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 01:24 AM) Ya man, everyone else is crazy and you have it all figured out. Jesus, do you not realize youre doing the exact same thing youre accusing everyone else of except on the other side? There are so many absolutely absurd details that havent been explained and Schaap didnt ask him so many important questions. Who knows how much will ever come out or if we will ever get the whole story but one thing thats clear is we certainly dont have the whole story now. It just doesnt add up. I am doing the same thing your right but at least there's some semblance of proof to support my opinion other then just looking at the data and coming up with an answer. Anyways it's probably best if we all stop passing judgement on manti, nd, and espn until this is all over

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 01:12 AM) He said in the interview that he "tailored" some information. If you can back and read the SI transcript that Thamel did with him in September, there are a lot of lies in it if what he told tonight is the truth. I've already said he lied. He tailored the information to make it look like he met her. But I'm sure everyone in this thread is an angel and has never told a lie in their life.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 01:08 AM) Huh? No, he has no integrity left to take an interview that can't be filmed and the lawyer has to be there. Edited, my bad

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 01:07 AM) And to also make the relationship seem much, much more serious than it ever was. You're not manti. You have no idea how serious he thought it was.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 01:02 AM) Schaap was about the last credible guy espn had left. Hell, it is why he was assigned to the story. But yeah, he's lost all of his integrity tonight. Yeah ESPN has lost their credibility because they're telling Manti's side of the story. Theyve not really offered an opinion on it yet. You guys all sound ridiculous right now. Sorry schaap isn't saying this loser manti is lying so there no reason to report what he said.

If you guys can give me one logical motive as to why Teo would be in on this hoax ill listen. And don't say media attention and heisman votes, he was not a heisman canadite when this fake GF died. Not even close. And like I said he lied to the media avoid looking like a loser with an online girlfriend. If there was a coverup some anonymous source absolutely would have come out by now

You guys are ridiculous. I cannot comment in this thread anymore. There's no evidence what so ever Teo was involved. None after 48 hours. And there's tons of people and stories coming up saying he was duped.

QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 05:06 PM) Whoa, calm down there killer. I think most people agree he got scammed to some extent. However, there are reports (the one from his teammates comes to mind) that he needlessly exaggerated it because he loved the attention. And what is he suppose to do? Not make up more BS as he goes along. Not keep mentioning his "dead gf" after he found out he was scammed. Multiple people have also linked to comments he made HIMSELF about his gf's death motivating him, and this is after he found out he was scammed. Shut up, don't make it worse. I am a ND "hater", but this isn't about ND. This is a kid who did this to himself. You find out you get scammed, you try to let the story die down, you don't add flame to the fire. You don't keep bringing her up. Do you have specific numbers on how many times Manti went to the media with this? And how many times the media went to Manti? Maybe this girl truly was the love of his life, maybe he truly was devastated by this but didn't want people to find out it was online. This death that was real to manti at that time could still motivate him and he'd still have the right to say that. I'm pretty sure she was mentioned 4 times after December 6. Forgive manti for not wanting to create a media circus before the two biggest events of his life (heisman ceremony and NCG)

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 04:56 PM) Oh, so now we are the idiots...gotcha. Yes because of your anti Notre Dame stances. There's not a single piece of evidence that points to Teo being a part of this. There's also not a single piece of evidence that this is a giant Notre Dame coverup. Look at the facts and just accept that Teo was incredibly naive and stupid. But keep thinking this is a giant ND coverup if it makes you sleep better at night.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) Well at least we can all agree on one thing: If you have an online girlfriend for years that you've never met, you are a f***ing loser. Which explains why Teo lied, but you idiots keep thinking that Teo is a scumbag for lying and milking it for sympathy. As far as Teo knows he dated a girl for a year she died and the media picked up on it. Of course he's not going to say he only knew her online because he knew everyone would think he was a loser. This explains the contradictions in all his stories. P Then he finds out that he was duped before the NCG, what's he supposed to do tell the media that no that never happened I was tricked and create this huge media fire storm before the national championship game? No you f***ing play along and hope it goes away after the game. It's pretty clear now that Teo was duped and its clear why he lied to the media(so as to not look like a loser at first, and then after finding out to avoid a media firestorm that would distract the team from the national championship) Take off the anti Notre dame glasses and see this is the only way the story makes sense. Every other explanation has at least 1 part that doesn't make sense except this one. I was with you guys the other night I thought manti was scum and a liar, but it's clear now he got conned and I feel bad for him for that and how the public views him now.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 06:50 PM) The SI writer expressly asked Teo how he met her. And he went out of his way to avoid that as saying it was online would have been embarrassing the SI writer even said he didn't ask him more about it because he figured it was online. What I meant in my original post was that he avoided it at first like in the SI interview but then probably eventually realized he'd need to make stuff up to not look like he only knew the girl online and had never met her.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 06:17 PM) Yes, but it was clearly a false implication. An indirect lie, but a lie nevertheless. That's all that matters. I know its your thing to be contrarian, but whether he's a "victim" or not, he's still clearly a liar, which is the only thing those of us you seem to be challenging are really saying. Or was he afraid of the backlash that would come if he told the media that oh I never met her we just talked on the phone and online? And then the media kept going with it and at that point he was in too deep to say, wait this went too far I never met her. I think the media went to manti at first and in the interview with the SI writer manti never once said he met her, because he wasn't asked. Once it comes about then you have to say you've met her and make up a story how so as not to look like a loser who only knew his GF online.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that either Teo is gay and things spiraled out of control. Or he was actually conned and fell for this s***, but if this is true he still embellished the s*** out of this story. The option of him making this up for his own gain doesn't really work anymore, with no motive it'd be pointless and as others have stated Teo doesn't seem smart enough or like the type of guy to attempt that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 10:46 PM) I believe it was stated on the Boers & Bernstein show. Not sure what their source was. I can't blame ESPN for sitting on something like this unless they were absolutely sure

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 10:41 PM) Also, ESPN should be ashamed of themselves. They had this for 10 days and did nothing, they just wanted to protect a narrative. Where did you see this?

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/0...-it-up/#respond Well it's pretty clear the Manti lied and milked this for all it's worth with the media there seems to still be a real possibility that he was duped. Either way though he lied at some point

People seem to forget that Teo was the furthest thing from a heisman canadite when this happened so I don't think the motive could have been to help him win that award

This story just keeps getting more f***ed up.