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Sox willing to deal Beckham in "right deal now"
spiderman replied to Heads22's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 05:18 PM) No he is not. He used to be. He is now a below average defender after getting worse at 2b each season of his career. Both by the eye test and the statistics test. This year, I would agree. Overall, I think he's been a good defensive player. -
QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) Seriously? Teams will be desperate for a SP at the deadline. I would much rather pitch in cash in order to get the prospect back we want. Teams need pitching, but don't most of the metrics on Danks show he's due for a regression? The money with the lost velocity scare me enough to start from scratch if someone wants that contract down the stretch.
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QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 09:53 AM) Dunn is pretty much the only player that needs to be dealt since he's a free agent at the end of the season. I doubt that the Sox would make him a qualifying offer since he might accept it, but what possibly could they get in return for him and who would be interested? I would be mildly surprised if some team didn't acquire him if the Sox were willing to eat most of the cost. Maybe he's not an ideal pinch hitter because he strikes out so much and doesn't really fill a position in a tight game, I'm not sure if there's a need from any contending team in the AL at DH either though.
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:52 AM) Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 38s yanks check in on danks. talks in early stages. http://cbsprt.co/1qymwjx It should be a simple conversation. He's your's for nothing, take him and his contract, see ya!
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Sox willing to deal Beckham in "right deal now"
spiderman replied to Heads22's topic in Pale Hose Talk
It does suck that Beckham can't hit. He was supposed to have been a premier, impact middle IF, and instead, he's a light hitting, solid defensive player who is probably gong to lose his job here before next season. -
QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 13, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) Ramirez is under contract atleast another year iirc Thanks for correcting me. I had been under the impression now for awhile that he was a free agent after this season. I would hope that would add some value to his stock.
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Question - where do Carlos Sanchez and Micah Johnson fall into the minor league rankings of IF prospects? I had heard Jim Callis say he thinks he'll become any everyday/solid MLB player, but, as fans, are we setting up ourselves for a fall if these guys are just average players? Granted, we may need both of these guys in the near future with Ramirez being a free agent and Beckham being Beckham, and our minor league system does need to produce lower cost options....
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Would the White Sox really much back beyond salary relief for Danks? He's pitched well after a rough start, but that's a still a large contract for a guy who metrically hasn't been that great. I think getting back any meaningful prospects would be unexpected, at least to me.
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Garcia still hoping to return this season
spiderman replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Is he going to be able to play the field or will they just DH him? If so, Adam Dunn would need to be moved. If that's the case, they are sellers (which is likely the end result) and caution could end up being the best course of action for Garcia. -
Sox Draft Carlos Rodon> Draft Day Discussion Thread
spiderman replied to NorthSideSox72's topic in FutureSox Board
QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 08:45 PM) We all agree that Rodon is the top prospect in the system, assuming that he signs? If he's a fast riser to the majors, do the minor league services even give the Sox a bump because of him? -
Sox Draft Carlos Rodon> Draft Day Discussion Thread
spiderman replied to NorthSideSox72's topic in FutureSox Board
Question - what does it mean that the Cubs took a guy under slot? I realize that it means they are drafting a player who will cost less than the projected slot, but why would a player drafted at #4 take less than the projection? Is this the case of the Cubs taking a college player who has no other options as opposed to a high school player who could threaten to go to college? If that is the case, the White Sox took a player who may be over slotted. Why would a player expect to get more money than the slot he was actually picked in? -
Which Sox are going to be traded this summer?
spiderman replied to harfman77's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Any of the following can be traded, but usually it turns out to be less: Gordon Beckham Alexi Ramirez Adam Dunn Matt Lindstrom One of the OF's (De Aza / Viceido) All of these guys have issues/questions though so I'm not sure that the White Sox will get great value for them, not to mention it's unlikely that the Sox will be ship all of these players away (even if they should). It's probably 2 or 3 players at the most that get moved should the White Sox decide to sell. -
On Stubhub, what is the new 'Gold Coast Club' (or formerly the Jim Beam Club) at US Cellular? Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 19, 2014 -> 06:36 AM) It boggled my mind then, it boggles my mind now, how anyone could have thought this guy was going to be effective was beyond me. He made 5 minor league starts last year and they were very similar to his results this season. He was still coming off a serious injury and was going to be rusty any way you slice it. Finally, he wasn't very good to begin with. A lot of the metrics on Paulino showed potential if I recall so, at a low risk, Hahn was probably also intrigued. My guess is that they put him on the DL for some 'tbd' injury. He won't make another start for the White Sox at least for the next month.
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John Danks is the 7th worst contract in baseball
spiderman replied to Steve9347's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Even if John Danks never rebounds from his shoulder surgery and continues to be just a pedestrian talent, I would argue that every off-season, with free agency, there are probably 2-3 guys signed to huge, ridiculous money that teams willl regret almost immediately and at dollars that will dwarf John Danks. My guess is that Danks may be servicable at best - maybe a #3 or #4 starter, but certainly not worth his deal so it's obviously a bad contract for the White Sox, but is Robinson Cano at 30 years or so, with probably 3-4 good years remaining, a contract Seatlle will look back at as being worth it if he's bad for the majority of his deal making twice as much as Danks? -
QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 11:31 PM) LOL You'd DFA Gillaspie over Dunn, Keppinger, Jordan Danks, a catcher, etc. etc. etc.? You're on a roll, too. Going....? Since Dunn and Keppinger have guaranteed deals, wouldn't it make logical sense that Gillaspie is expendable - IF - money plays any role? Secondly, even though Keppinger had a bad year, and isn't very good, Gillaspie isn't much better, if at all. I don't think his roster spot is in any way secure to even force the White Sox to keep him. In all reality, my guess is that both Keppinger/Gillaspie both open up the season as the 3B in some platoon situation. Davidson could win the job with a great spring, but I think they would prefer to not rush him and bring him up in June.
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That sounds about right - I'd say no more than 75 or 76 if things go right. This offense is full of outs and young talent. There is upside for improvement, but these young guys will have growing pains and a lineup of Viceido, Beckham, Abreau Flowers, Dunn, Keppinger (or Davidson) screams of nights with 4 or fewer runs.
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The next time Steve Roosenbloom has a positive thought about anything will be a revelation. I get the guy has made a career of being the cranky, funny, writer, but most of what I see (or hear from him) is just all negativity all the time. Does he like anything?
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QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) As things stand, best 2015 lineup: CF Eaton 2B Semien RF Garcia 1B Abreu DH Viciedo 3B Davidson C Nieto SS Leury LF Johnson (really pushing it here) Not a lot of power there though. And if Beckham FINALLY comes though (how long have we been saying this?) then things change considerably. And man would Castro look GREAT in there somewhere. There's a lot of outs in that lineup! Obviously, young guys can surprise, but expect growing pains with this lineup
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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 1, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) Who would you trade to get that player? Alexei Ramirez? Rienzo? Nate Jones. DeAza alone probably isn't going to net that type of player. I agree, that's why I said it probably isn't going to happen this off-season, they have cashed in their chips to make the moves they have. They can get a piece for De Aza, just don't think it will be some top 100 prospect.
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I'd be surprised if they add a catcher outside the organization with any significant potential upside. I don't rule out a trade for a catcher, just don't know that they land anyone who makes the fan base feel better about the position. De Aza is probably going to get moved before spring training, but i don't know what sort of value he has - maybe he lands them a catcher of some ability, but outside of that, I think most of their moves have been made - adding some arms for spring training competition, landing some young talent to help immediately in CF, 1B and 3B. I'd love to find another young offensive player who is similar to Davidson (top 100), but doubt that happens this winter.
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2013-14 off season player movement thread
spiderman replied to southsider2k5's topic in The Diamond Club
QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 21, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) Choo to the Rangers. A 7 year deal? Who are they competing against for Choo? Maybe Seattle/Cincinnati, etc. were all in on this, but my first thought is that Texas got a really good player for the first 3 or so years. -
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) 11 minutes needed to repeat yourself? Um, ok. Maybe it's doubly important?
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There's just too many young players who have to pan out, and it's probably not realistic to expect all of them too. Some won't be quite ready, some will meet expectations, but even the ones who do are still developing into what they hopefully will become. From a pitching perspective, they have enough to compete right now, assuming they have a closer on the roster to finish off what should be some lower scoring games. They have a top 5 Starting pitcher, and Danks would have to step up into what they thought they were getting prior to his arm injury. Overall, it's just a young offense though, and I think that will be the main culprit.
