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Finally. Hopefully this turns out to be a diamond in the rough signing, similar to Dye in 2005.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 21, 2008 -> 11:05 AM) I think we're contenders if the guys we currently have step up. I think signing Colon makes us take a step backwards, because I really don't think he's going to give anyone anything of value this season other than L's, and the games you lose seeing if he's healthy are games you don't get back. It all comes down to Danks and Floyd. The lineup will take care of itself. I don't think Colon would be an upgrade over anyone in his current condition.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Jan 19, 2008 -> 11:51 AM) Last I checked, every team is 0-0. After that, no one knows what's going to happen. So, yes, I'm always optimistic at the beginning of the year. Otherwise, what's the point of being a Sox fan or even a baseball fan. Every team is about 50-50, its what happens in the other 62 games that matter.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 07:21 PM) Mark Buehrle- 57 strikeouts to reach 1000. Mark Buehrle- 18 wins to reach 125. Orlando Cabrera- 73 RBI's to reach 700. Jermaine Dye- 36 Home Runs to reach 300. Jermaine Dye- 105 RBI's to reach 1000. Bobby Jenks- 13 saves to reach 100. Paul Konerko- 24 Home Runs to reach 300. Paul Konerko- 105 RBI's to reach 1000. Jim Thome- 102 RBI's to reach 1500. Jim Thome- 31 2B's to reach 400. Juan Uribe- 81 RBI's to reach 500. Javy- 10 wins to reach 125. Javy- 185 strikeouts to reach 2000. Nick Swisher- 20 Home Runs to reach 100. I put the reasonable reaches in BOLD. Good info thanks. Now which one will happen first? I would say either Buehrle's K's or Jenks' saves. Thome will also have a ton of HR milestones as he passes more greats: 5 to pass Mel Ott 6 to pass Ernie Banks and Eddie Mathews 15 to pass Willie McCovey and Ted Williams 28 to pass Jimmie Foxx 30 to pass Mickey Mantle

QUOTE(rowandrules83 @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 05:33 PM) Maybe you could do something with like a famous date in Sox history...like 102605 or something What happened on that day?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 11:55 AM) So what's going on? The Score reported the Sox had a deal in place for Dotel (2ys, $11 Million), and now that has been brought down to a rumored deal.

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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 11:30 AM) Remind me again why people listen to the Score? Geesh. For a way to get information from MLBTraderumors.com on the radio?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 09:04 AM) I don't disagree, plus I'm figuring between at worse you have MacDougall and Dotel who combined are able to do what a normal reliever could workload wise (assuming one or both of them have a stint on the DL) all while posting a good ERA. Mac/Dotel/Jenks all have filthy stuff, Linebrink is steady eddy, Wasserman is steady eady with a different look and than Thornton/Logan both are solid lefties. God damn, I like that pen if it works out and financially it isn't horrible, plus if you think about it, when JEnks is due a fat contract you lose a couple other contracts off your books in the pen. The Sox now have Aardsma, MMac, Sisco, Haeger who all could be valuable to some team or another. I'm not saying they will be good, but if I'm the Drays or some crap team why not buy these guys for cheap and see if a full season turns them into something. Hell, if we just got their career averages we would be looking really good. I like the fact that we now have some trading chips that would not have an impact on the team. You could throw Masset in there as well.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 08:35 AM) I'm concerned about one major thing, his injury riddled history. He has a great arm though and when healthy I love having it in the pen, but I question the total sense of this deal. The pen, on paper, is clearly massivly improved but I still question with the Sox having so much of this money tied up to guys that may not even have a roster/starters spot (ie, Uribe/Crede/Contreras (who sucks in my book until he proves otherwise). Definitely didn't see the Sox adding another starter. Aardsma, M-Mac, Masset, Haeger, Prinz, Sisco, Myers, and Day posted an ERA of 7.88 in 158 IP of relief. If Dotel gives us 75 IP with a 4.50 ERA, this will be a huge upgrade.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 08:29 AM) Still not on Sox website. Could they have made a mistake? rojo instead of blanco?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 07:41 AM) Although I like the addition I'm wondering about that contract. If Kenny is willing to pay that much for a guy who's barely played recently then why not spend a lot for a proven, healthy commodity (Hunter, Rowand, etc)?There is a huge difference between 2 yrs/$11 million and 5 yrs/$90 million. Would you rather have Hunter for $15+ or Swisher, Dotel, Linebrink for $13?

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 07:34 AM) Jeeezus. 5.5 per? I like the move but that's more than I expected for a guy who's had the track record Dotel has the last few years.. Paying for potential? KW probably didn't want to lose out on such a critical area of the team, similar to the higher price for Linebrink. If Crede is moved ($5.1), then the payroll will almost be unchanged with this move.

I would assume that this completes the bullpen search. So is this the last move of the offseason?

Wow, he is going to make $1.5 Million more than Linebrink in 2008. I like the move though. If healthy he will be a solid addition. 773 K, 282 BB in 641 IP. That is nice.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 09:46 PM) Oh, you bet your ass KW is going after one of those premier starters. Hes probably already budgeting for it. The question is, will we get one? If he is still around for that. It would be hard to take another losing season after last year.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 09:46 AM) ..i never thought about that... he would be more useful than uribe and for a million dollars less! Thats why I was wondering why the Sox didn't take a flyer on him. Only one year, for $4 Million. That is pretty low risk.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Argm...p&type=lgns Surprised the Sox didn't take a flyer out on him for only $4 Million. I guess they are targeting Colon, or will stay with Danks and Floyd.

QUOTE(The Beast @ Jan 16, 2008 -> 03:02 PM) Can you elaborate? Probably in regards to the Swisher jersey.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 14, 2008 -> 09:49 AM) Why would you DH Konerko before Dye? I was thinking you can move Swisher to 1B at that point.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 15, 2008 -> 04:18 PM) Gavin Floyd put up an ERA of 4.04 in his final 55.2 IP last year, which includes both August and September. And the 5.11 ERA he put up in August, along with every other peripheral across the board improving, would be more than adequate as a back of the rotation starter. And, for technicality purposes, Timo never DH'ed against the White Sox; atleast not when Gavin Floyd was starting. Guillen started the final 3 games (the games Floyd pitched well in), IRod played in 2 of the 3, Maggs played in 1 and pinch hit in another, and Granderson and Polanco led off all 3. Don't act like he played against the AAA version of the Tigers; that's an injustice to Floyd, regardless of how you feel about him. Along with that, he also held a pretty good Indians lineup in check too. Point blank, I'm glad you are not in a position to determine who and who does not suck. He's 25, put up a pretty damn good year at AAA last year, and actually lasted past 140 innings (176.2 to be exact, with 6 games coming out of the bullpen), something John Danks hasn't proven he can do yet. At this point in time, I view Floyd as a superior MLB pitcher to John Danks. I see no reason to think otherwise. Technically he is 24. He turns 25 on the 27th.

If Thome keeps his numbers close to where they are at now, I would not mind him back in 2009. You can just move Paulie to DH in 2010.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2008 -> 03:04 PM) Thome is 1.75 years younger than Sheffield. Dye is 2 years younger than Rodriguez, Konerko is 5 years younger than Rodriguez. If we're worried about Thome's age, then they should be 5x as worried about Sheffield's age. IF we're worried about Dye or Konerko's age, they should be 8x as concerned about IRod's age Also, there is a bigger difference as you get older. Sheffield and Thome both should regress, but Sheffield should will more than likely regress more.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 10, 2008 -> 01:14 PM) I don't know how big of a dropoff you'll see from Pudge or Sheff. Each had their worst seasons of their career. Personally, I think we'll see a better season out of Sheff. As far as the Sox, Thome and Cabrera should have some fall off. I think the difference between the Sox and Tigers are the players that will likely see an increase in production, and not necessarily a dropoff. I-Rod is getting up there for a catcher. So he will more than likely not improve. Sheff is old, without PEDs, so he is either going to be about the same or decline some more. Also, do you believe Ordonez will have another 1.000 OPS season? Is Granderson going to maintain his +.900 OPS, which was an increase of .140 OPS? Polanco also saw an increase in OPS of .153. More than likely, these 3 will come back down to earth and be closer to their career norms. So that is 5 starters who will have a good chance of declining. M-Cab is going to rake regardless, but how about Renteria? Is he going to be the .860 OPS guy from the NL or the .721 OPS guy from the AL? Guillen will more than likely have a better season, then lastly you have J.Jones/Thames in LF.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2008 -> 10:05 AM) IMO, the formula is actually pretty simple. If Jose Contreras, Gavin Floyd, and John Danks (or 1 of the guys we have at AAA) step it up big time, then the White Sox have a good shot at this division. If Westbrook, HGH, and Sowers/Lee/Laffey/whoever else they throw into that 5th starter spot step it up, then the Tribe will take this division. If Bonderman, Willis, Rogers, and Robertson step it up, then the Tigers will take this division. All 3 of these teams on paper have very potent offenses, and it will probably be just a question of injuries/career seasons which team winds up with the best of those. They're all more than adequate in that department. The bullpens? All 3 have some question marks, although we might well be as sound as any of them since we actually have a solid, real, legit, dominating closer. All 3 of those teams have solid front ends to their starting rotation. And all 3 have back ends of the rotation with question marks but all 3 also have guys in those roles who could step up and be really good. And of course, never count out the Twins. I agree. Also, we have already seen what an extended season has done to pitchers the next year. Cleveland is due for a letdown from their starters. It might only be neglible, but that might be enough. Having Jenks is a huge upgrade over the Tigers and Indians. Borowski was brutal for a closer 5.07 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, and Jones wasn't much better 4.26 ERA, 1.42 WHIP. Jenks had a 0.89 WHIP and .198 BAA. Jenks did that with basically no setup man either. Detroit has the best lineup, but could have the biggest drop-off from guys like I-Rod, Sheff, and Maggs. No one from the Sox really had a great year last year, so we will hopefully see some rebound.