southsider2k5

Zavala is probably the 3rd catcher right now.

Except it isn't a spending cut at all, as top, middle, and bottom salaries are still going up. This is more of a "fair share" kind of argument, which is entirely different.

That isn't the same thing as the massive spending cuts that he was trying to sell.

To recap: Until COVID, there were no spending cuts in baseball. The amount of teams in the top payrolls increased The amount of teams at middle payrolls increaesd The amount of teams at the lowest payrolls decreased Over the last half decade of normal baseball, payrolls increased by nearly 20%.

Let go of this and get back to baseball. Even if you want to quibble on this you haven't shown anything approaching what you are rambling on about in baseball.

Literally none of what you have said actually holds up to fact checking. None of it. Show some actual facts here.

The NFL and NBA alone prove this wrong.

Again, WAY more teams were at 100 150, AND 200 million in payroll in that 5 year span. Top, middle, and bottom payrolls all increased. Everything expanded. That is literally the point. Overall payrolls went up as did payrolls for teams at the top, middle, and bottom of the scales. Your "top" contract numbers aren't actually accurate either. We have gone from Arods 275 to Cole's 324 or Harpers 330, which actually has about the same AAV as Arods deal from 12 years ago. Even if you boil it down to AAV, it has gone from 27.5 to 36 in 12 years. That is about 3% per year on the top end. I know you are trying to make up some new goalpost that works here, but nothing you have said is actual reality.

This has nothing to do with the league wide spending cuts you were just telling us that had happened over the 5 years, that didn't actually happen.

If Don Cooper was half as bad as many think, there should be a lot of low hanging fruit.

There haven’t been any spending cuts until Covid. In fact payroll inflation approached 20% over the last 5 normal seasons. Unless you have some actual evidence, your feelings aren't reflected in the numbers at all.

Nice goal post move. There will always be teams looking to cut dollars, even in good times. The temptation will always be bigger for teams who look at things and know they can't compete. But the league as a whole has seen a steady increase in payrolls. until the destruction of a large piece of the revenue flow. An increase of $650 million for the same basic amount of players is nearly a million dollars per player more on average. The top players in the league aren't making $50 million a year to explain that extra $20+ million per team going to JUST them. Look at it this way. IN 2014 one team had a payroll of over $200 million. 6 came in over $150 million. 16 were over $100 million. In 2019 that was 3 teams >$200m, 10 > $150m, and 23 over $100 million. More teams were spending more money. Clearly.

Do you even think to fact check yourself? From 2014 to 2019, MLB total payrolls went up from $3.45 billion to 4 billion.

Ah, NOW you care about those things. Well hopefully your posts will now improve a lot with this moment of self-reflection.

Those are the very worst teams, and this a year where baseball is missing $100 million in revenue per team on average. The fact that teams are cutting this year is COMPLETELY obvious. if you are going to pretend that this is normal behavior, there isn't really an honest discussion to be had here.

So you don't believe exactly what is happening in baseball right now. You don't believe it when you see teams in other sports like the LA Lakers coming off of a world championship, and are trying to add Bradley Beal, even though they are a championship caliber team.

Leury's real primary position was SS. He just learned to play everywhere else to stay on the roster.

That isn't what is being reported.

But you have seen through it all, and are here to save us who actually deal in real life economic theory. Again, don't lecture people about being condescending, and post BS like this.

The top teams will still spend to win. Teams like the Dodgers were already essentially playoff teams, but they are still trying to spend to win it all. They seem to not be content with 84 wins and a playoff appearance. They aren't alone. Look at the Padres loading up.

You keep saying this, but the reality is that it makes it harder for teams to sell off as even the worst and mediocre teams are now on the edge of the playoffs. It puts a lot more pressure on the middle tier of teams to stay in races that they would ordinarily not be in.

Now this is a problem.

It's not like anyone else here has degrees in this or anything, but everyone Jack has this as a hobby so we should all go his way. F*** talk about condescending.

The players care about getting paid. This gets them paid.

The problem is until you have a grasp on what attendance and health situations look like, it is kind of hard to make plans for.