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This is apparently the part where I claim credit for people coming around to what I had been previously saying. #Team2030.

Whoever we get for Robert is BY FAR the best chance, which we all know isn't going to be great. I think we all know the return is going to be ugly.

I have zero expectations of anyone we get at this trade deadline making it as a future starter for the Chicago White Sox.

I mean, it's about diminishing expectations for the fan base, and minimizing the fact that this was not the only time that Robert could have been traded. For example we do also have the Reds offer reporting from over the winter that had the Sox getting two top guys for Robert if they had been willing to kick in, but if you can turn this into hating this return, it's just Sox fans being irrational, again, because obviously they were never going to get more.

Yeah, that's what I don't get. What happens in the little bit of extra time of waiting that was supposed to be better for a Robert trade return? If the expectation isn't that the offers will get better (you know, like Dylan Cease being traded while he value is down after a down year from his career year), why are you waiting? I am still not sure what waiting an extra six months to year does for his trade return. I mean if I am understanding the vagueness of the answers here, I am being told that Luis Robert was worth 100 million dollars, but we were only get back say $90 million in return, but if we waited six months until his worth fell to $90 million, making that same deal was now OK, because it balances. If that is the case, and you don't expect his return to go UP during that time period, what are you waiting for, exactly? Peak value is peak value.

Please. Free to a home.

Can't be that. Has to be everyone else who is wrong. Because "value".

Robert was coming off of a career year and Cease wasn't. That's my lane. My lane is the GM should know these things, especially when there is all kinds of off of the field reasons we keep hearing about. Maybe if that isn't a part of the lane, Sox people shouldn't be putting it out there?

So what did waiting six months do for that, exactly? What exactly was going to happen between then and the summer to make things better?

I literally gave you twice that it already happened for the same franchise.

It would be nice if you could actually articulate why, other than this wasn't a mistake because "value".

That's my feeling. This rebuild has no sacred cows. Honestly, I think teams are sniffing around him because they think they can get Grant Taylor for less than it would cost to get say a Duran from Minny.

So is this dude just the OF version of Tim Elko?

I fully doubt that anyone is willing to pay full closer price for Taylor, considering he is completely unproven at any level.

Again, if the feeling is that his extension doesn't fit his body that has been floated out there is true, the Sox don't see Taylor as a starter long term, no matter what they are saying publicly.

Cease being a great example of taking what is out there for a depreciated asset versus selling at the top.

This is absurd. You are basically telling me that Robert had to have his value depreciate so that they could trade him at some sort of a fair price, knowing fully well that means risking his historically bad health, along with the whispered work ethic and coachability factors that keep being whispered about by those in the know, coming into play. What exactly was going to change in six months that all of the sudden that made a trade for Robert then a proper "value" for him. If teams weren't going to offer enough at 4 years, why would waiting six months for them to hopefully be offering the same thing in six months, but now with six months of depreciation to his value make it worth while to trade him because now that is proper "value" a sane thought. If it is the best offer you are going to get, why the heck wouldn't you take it? There is zero chance that the offers were going to go UP from him having a huge breakout year and full health for the time in his career. Speaking of "value" in some sort of abstract, with literally no evidence backing it up, versus his absolute value being almost certainly never going to be higher than it was in 2023 because of the factors that I keep mentioning, and keep being ignored seems like missing the forest for the trees. Rick Hahn was able to get a huge deal for Adam Eaton specifically, who was WAY less of a player with four years remaining on his deal. Chris Sale brought a much bigger "value" return as a more established player. Why wasn't it possible to get something along the Eaton to Sale lines in terms of a return for Luis Robert when we have seen it happen before?

The problem is that the Sox actions speak differently.

I really want to see the answer to the question of when Manfred tells the players they are giving up money without a cap, but that owners are losing a ton of money, how he proposes their are billions for the players to get, without the owners losing more money. That is pretty contradictory.

Ope.

If the leaks about Taylor not being considered a starter are true, you deal him if someone offers you a top closer price for him. Keeping a Ferrari at your trailercourt is pointless.

Considering he is still a part of this organization, they are probably STILL paying Tony.

Vs the Jewish faith apparently.

This is not what the revisionist history is telling us. The whole sales job since Getz took the job is that the insiders all knew it was horrible and Hahn had burned this franchise to the ground, so there was no other way to see what was going to happen besides years of pain as they rebuilt from the ashes. The only reason to keep Luis Robert was if you thought you could do this relatively quickly.

Dude is an injury prone 35 year old OF. There is no hindsight needed here. Trade him for the best offer.