southsider2k5

The 50th best catcher at low A.

Counting your chickens a little quickly there? Didn't we learn this lesson, oh, last year?

Eh, honestly, with the failures of the people in front of him, I think giving the kid a chance, even if he massively fails, isn't a crazy ask. I think the frustration lies with doing things we KNOW don't work. I think the non-tender Vaughn crowd led by about a 90-10 margin this offseason, so it isn't surprising people are coming for Vaughn either. The Sox have a weird obversion to certain young players, despite a raging need for players who do exactly what they do.

Now we are talking

A rebuild isn't complete when you retain large parts of the former problems. The player development staff barely changed.

Maybe he meant "special"?

When the Sox hired Tony, I spent a lot of time talking about him losing the team and players, but even I didn't expect literally everyone of substance to simultaneously forget how to play baseball.

Bye bye Bulls. Pathetic effort.

That would be a huge improvement.

Oh right. Can't keep up with the injuries.

It's literally what I would expect. I don't get the ALL IS WELL crowd.

So Lee is hurt.

Again, these are two different groups. Ex-players see the game one way, and they see the Sox as inferior. Other front office execs see it another way, and they didn't think enough of the Sox as to mention them to the positive side. Neither is saying good things about the White Sox.

That's quite literally the point. No one seems to think enough of the White Sox changes to mention it as a positive. The Ex-players who played here see the organizations they have gone to as superior. Out of 40 front office execs who were interviewed, who have first hand knowledge of what it takes to be a successful major league baseball franchise, Zero of them thought to mentioned the White Sox, while literally the entire rest of the AL Central got votes. How is it too early for them to know, but at the same time, the people whose livelihoods depend on the White Sox are to be trumpeted as knowing better?

That is two different groups of experts who aren't seeing it. They are not one combined group. Neither the Ex-players nor the 40 front office executives have good things to say about the White Sox.

We did all of this "promising changes" stuff under Hahn. The same articles were written, the same hype over prospects were given, the new guys were all hired and anointed. I would like to see some real change.

Then it is also too early so say that all of these change were good and will show results. There can't be brow beating about how things are improving, but not one person with any sense of neutrality or first hand experience doesn't seem to think to also say it out loud. I want to see results myself, but I would be willing to engage in the blind positivity if literally anyone of authority who doesn't have a vested interest in keeping Jerry happy would agree.

It just means that the White Sox are rostering many players that the rest of baseball has zero interest in. Not sure how that is a good thing, but sure.

And instead we got a package that was soundly decried when the trade happened, and has gotten worse looking with time. Heck of a victory lap there. You're doing a great job Getzy.

If others thought these changes were as great as we keep getting told, SOMEONE would have noticed by now. Ex-players are still trashing the organization, and the rest of baseball isn't saying anything. All of the most qualified people to judge, haven't had anything good to say.

At least for Clevinger, I am willing to give Getz a break if the ownership insisting on his signing is true. Though that tells me that Getz doesn't really have nearly as much power for CHANGE as we are being led to believe.

And the players, especially the ones who see how things run on a day to day basis, are the ones that see it first hand. Even a player who was here last year after all of these major changes were made last year was saying how much better a place like Boston is being run. It is easy to hand wave away fans thoughts, but when players and front office peers see it, it is harder to discount those thoughts.

So if no other front offices think the Sox are worth mentioning, despite all of the changes that they all can see personally in their work, and observe their work on a professional level that none of us can, that their point of view should be invalidated because their first hand observations aren't valid yet? It's wild how no one can judge anything happening in the White Sox organization, unless it is positive. We can sit and listen to being told that the changes they have made are so important by the media, and that is valid, but the people the Sox front office is literally competing against on a day to day basis can't. That's crazy.