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Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan Reynaldo Lopez strikes out Isan Diaz. Thru 3 IP: 0 R, H, O BB, 3 K. #WhiteSox

Lord knows you'll need a lot of beer to follow this team the next few years.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) I am not sure that sports networks are really making any money right now. The rights fee bubble has inflated so much that the networks are paying all the money they are making out on rights deals, and I think that bubble isn't far from bursting as sports networks are hemorrhaging money right now with monthly subs dropping at a torrid pace and increased fees. I think the 40% ownership is only really valuable if you can sell it, and given the market around TV sports right now, I don't think you can get a lot out of it. That works both ways then. If the networks are a bust now, they aren't going to go somewhere else to find a new and more profitable one.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Any move would have to be made for regional TV purposes. The midwest is saturated with baseball markets, if the Sox move into a market with less competition, they could net a deal similar to what the Diamondbacks got. In Chicago, I think they are going to get whatever money CSN has left after the Cubs get all the money they want. I still am not buying into the idea of a Cubs network, I really feel it is just a negotiating tactic to get a deal on par with what the Dodgers got. Would that be worth more than 40% of CSN with the money makers such as the Bulls and Blackhawks still on there as well? I have a hard time believing that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) "Thank you for your support in 2016," Phillips wrote. "It was a challenging and disappointing season. One we will not repeat." "We are positioned for an exciting offseason with the third overall pick in the draft and one of best salary-cap situations in the NFL heading into free agency," Phillips wrote. "We will take advantage of these assets to bring in more talent." Alrighty then. Ted Phillips wants to recall this email.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 01:49 PM) They can't avoid the tax hit, it is coming sooner or later anyway. The franchise is worth 50 times what he paid for it, so he may only get $700M, but thats still a great investment that has grown at a much faster rate than inflation. Heck, the Marlins are rumored to have been sold for $1.5B, and I can't believe they would be worth any more than the White Sox. Taxes will never be a reason that a professional sports team is bought or sold. I think JR is on his way out, this is the second or third rumor about the team being for sale in the last six months. With Bud gone and his public opposition to Manfred, he has burned some bridges in some high places and has very few allies left in the leadership group. The other component of a rebuild that has not really been discussed is that it decreases operational expenses, which improves the bottom line, and makes the team more valuable if it were to be sold. Add to that the potential for a big splash with a new TV deal in two years, I think right now is the optimal time to sell. I feel like the Sox potential of a new TV deal will be worth more than the actual deal they get. I would bet my entire retirement fund that one thing the current administration does is to destroy the inheritance tax, or at least they will take a huge chunk out of it. I mean we could be talking about hundreds of millions of dollars if the timing is right.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 12:13 PM) I think we can all agree that Q is a consummate professional, a great pitcher, and a great guy, but baseball is ultimately a business, and Hahn will be forced to make some tough decisions. I don't think he wanted to have to trade Sale and Eaton either, but it is what it is. That's a story for another time however. As far as Q goes, I can't see the rationale in keeping him long term. In a perfect world, he'd have 1, maybe 2 seasons left on his current contract in which he could pitch for a competitive Sox team. Barring something absolutely amazing, 2017 and 2018 will be a wash, thus wasting 2 years of his prime and team friendly contract. It's a high risk and only medium reward scenario and an array of dominoes would have to fall into place to make this plan worth it. Q deserves better than to pitch for a rebuilding team and his presence actually hurts the Sox as far as potential draft position goes for the 2018 and 2019 drafts. I'd have to hope Hahn is smart enough to realize this and trade him now to fully capitalize on his value right now. The thought of getting 2 or 3 everyday position players for the next half decade is a lot more appealing to me than holding him in hopes of utilizing him on a winning team for a year or 2 when he'll be in his 30's. Hahn also has to consider that the pitching is a strength for the Sox. By 2019 or 2020, the hope would be that Rodon/Giolito/Lopez/Fulmer are all well established MLB pitchers, and guys like Kopech/Hansen/Adams/Dunning/future draftees & trade acquisitions are waiting in the wings and are close to making an impact at the MLB level as well. The Sox can develop arms with the best of them. Bats are another story, so I'd prefer to acquire as many as possible in hopes that a couple of them stick. Q might not even be needed if everything falls into place. and lastly, the fact that Q could get injured or have an unexpected downturn in performance has to be considered. While not likely, it's a possibility. There's no way I'd take that chance if I was Hahn. It's just too risky considering Q is the best trade chip the Sox have left and he could be used to acquire several impact players in the future. So, in my opinion, trading Q is the only option. I wish it didn't have to be this way, but it does. A couple of things here. First off I think this isn't as cut and dried as it is presented. The very first thing that has to happen is that another team is out there offering us the 2 or 3 everyday position players you are talking about. In just the couple of rumors I have seen out on Q, I am not convinced that has actually happened yet. Second, the odds you are talking about of Quintana's performance falling off are far lower than the odds of high level prospects busting in a deal. The lesser of a deal this team takes to move Quintana, the higher those odds are. With Q under contract for four years, I don't think we have hit the have to move stage yet. The true depreciation on a deal hasn't set in yet. Third, it is 100% obvious that the White Sox have been able and willing to trade Quintana and anything else that was in a White Sox jersey at the end of last season if the price is right. There is no matter of "realizing" it. They get it, and have actively been working all winter on getting it done. The issue is as by far our biggest asset, selling him for anything less than full price could well be setting back the rebuild to some extent.

QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 01:10 PM) I'm afraid the buyer would move the team. As mediocre as the fan base here is, I have a hard time figuring out where someone else could go to make more money than this franchise does in Chicago.

Or is this all just a furtherance of "rebuild" idea forced on us to cover trading the people from the LaRoche incident [adjusts tinfoil hat]

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 10, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Kind of disappointing that Collins was already sent down. I thought he did pretty well. The kid is years away, and it fits the typical pattern of handling the White Sox have always have used. Even though they are years away, they bring their top kids to camp just to give their kids a taste. A lot of teams don't do that.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 11:14 PM) HYPE

Michael David Smith‏Verified account @MichaelDavSmith 1h1 hour ago The Browns had the most picks in the 2016 draft and now have the most picks in both the 2017 and the 2018 drafts.

Tommy Stokke @StokkeTommy Should the #Dbacks be worried about Zack Greinke's early diminished velocity? I say no, at least not yet. https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/diamondbac...inkes-velocity/ …

670 The Score‏Verified account @670TheScore 49m49 minutes ago Report: #Cubs give Kris Bryant a $1.05 million salary for 2017, a pre-arbitration record http://cbsloc.al/2n4LKd9

Jason Benetti‏Verified account @jasonbenetti 25m25 minutes ago By the way, our first @whitesox spring broadcast is Sunday against Texas on @WGNTV. @stevestone on your screen. Very soon.

Colleen Kane‏ @ChiTribKane 18m18 minutes ago Yoan Moncada aims for White Sox roster spot with mix of purpose and patience http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0309-story.html

QUOTE (Scoots @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 03:49 PM) I think Q has been here longer but he might be the only one If it is a real question, I think it is Nate Jones.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) Hey, TCU up by 9 over Kansas with 14 minutes left to play. Wish I could turn on a TV here. That might put TCU close to an NCAA bid if they could pull it off, though it would still be a stretch. Kansas has spent all year doing this. Hopefully they lose, but the late rally has been their specialty this year.

With this kind of open to free agency, hopefully the Bears just say F it, and play for the 2018 first pick.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) He did use GT last year to get more money from Valpo. Numerous GT sources say he gave GT his word he was coming there and had already contacted potential assistants I want to say he was making something like 250 or 300k at Valpo. He was getting paid less than a lot of assistant coaches at big schools.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) Supposed to really struggle at recruiting I think that was more institution than he was recruiting for being difficult to get into versus his not being able to recruit. Though the one oddity is that he really didn't want kids from the area going there. He refused to recruit The Region, when he there is some pretty awesome talent that goes through here. The guy who just took the job has changed that though, his first signing was from two towns over from Valpo.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 01:11 PM) Illinois has had a bad decade of basketball, but let's not go crazy here. It's still a top 25-30 job. It's definitely a jump up from Vanderbilt. Plus he doesn't have a great recruiting class coming in. The buyout may be pricey, but I don't think money is a problem at Illinois. Too many pissed off and eager alumni that want the basketball program to be back in the top 10-15 nationally like it was for the better part of the 90's and 00's. Bryce isn't about the money. If he was, he would have ditched Valpo years before. There weren't many jobs he would have left Valpo for, but academics really is important to him, as well as religion. If he leaves for another job, I would imagine it would be something like Stanford, and not Illinois. The dude isn't a job chaser.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Ah ok. Not sure there is a guy like that in college bball. I wouldn't mind Bryce Drew. He did a decent job at Valpo. Roger Powell was or still is his assistant. Maybe you can get Scott to come instead to get away from the impending Baylor implosion. Bryce just got his big deal at Vandy for the start of this season. He isn't going anywhere for a few years. Honestly, I am not sure he would even view Illinois as an upgrade.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) When there's a coaching change, the player will almost always get released from the NLOI. I would expect that to happen here. Typically they will throw in a couple of places they won't allow (no big 10 schools, etc), but yeah, normal behavior is to release the players.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) Based on the Sale deal (with two Top 20 prospects) and their untouchables, I'd say the offer Hahn would go for would be Frazier, Rutherford, Andujar and Clarkin or Tate. Looks about right to me.