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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 07:23 AM) 2015 ERAs with Sox Jeff Samardzija: 4.96 John Danks: 4.71 I award one point to greg Samardjiza was not brought back leaving Danks as our worst pitcher. I revoke the point, and you for agreeing with greg.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 05:57 PM) No GM is going to pretend he's rebuilding in order to move players he has personal issues with. The whole notion is ridiculous. Totally this. The premise that there is ANY chance this is a vindictive rebuild is Trump-esque.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) Im not talking about Q. They can rebuild and keep Q, those arent mutually exclusive. Im talking about guys like Frazier, Robertson, Cabrera, Shields. If its a real rebuild, those guys should be gone as soon as you get any respectable offer. That's just it, I haven't heard anything about a respectable offer for those guys. Have you?

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) Its just that...for a team that is rebuilding and not expected to really compete but still trying to court a less than mediocre FA with your manager and pitching coach is just weird. Best case scenario he does well and you trade him mid season right? Or are they actually thinking they are going to compete and think he can play a role? I am probably reading too much into it, it just seemed odd to me to put that much energy into getting a guy like Holland at a time like this. I think you are over thinking it. I mean coaches are still going to coach this year, even with no chance at winning anything. If they like Holland, and think they can turn him into something this year, why not recruit him? They could offer him a chance at reclamation, plus a shot at being traded to a contender if he succeeds. It is a win for both him and the Sox. Plus the Sox would like to keep their pitching at bay for another year if possible when it comes to some of these guys. They need SOMEONE in the rotation.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) I have no doubt that theyll listen to anything. But when you think "rebuild", you dont usually see teams holding out on trading guys like Frazier/Robertson for "perfect" deals. You usually see those guys get traded for whatever value you can get. (edit) And again, my post was more about "if no one else gets traded." There is still a long time to go before that becomes a reality. As we saw at the deadline, there is a difference between listening and asking. At the deadline they asked for both Betts and Benitendi. Then they put together a realistic deal for Chris Sale. The package that is being discussed with Houston for Q falls into the realistic category, maybe even light.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) It's funny the variation. JJ Cooper said he wouldn't do the Musgrove/Tucker/Martes deal for Sale and Law says he wouldn't even respond to it. Law says Giolito is still top prospect with mechanics screwed while Lopez is a bullpen piece. Cooper says Lopez is the superior prospect to Giolito. Again, this is where you pray that your baseball people know what they are doing. When it comes to young pitching, the Sox seem to be good at it.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) As mentioned a million times in this thread, then you simply wait. Hahn and Co. seem to understand this fairly well. The market is always changing. Q has also been one of the healthiest, most consistent bets in baseball. I have zero issue with them holding him until June, or the deadline, or next off-season The deadline might even work better, as teams are more inclined to move prospects versus players on the 25 man roster, which will fit the White Sox needs better.

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 23h23 hours ago Derek Holland was impressed w/ how #WhiteSox showed their interest. Both Rick Renteria and Don Cooper were involved in process.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) That's a different argument. No it isn't. I said past tense that is exactly what they did. Maybe they get brave at the end when they don't have to face any consequences for their actions, but their response has been to let it go.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) I dont think its a coincidence that the only 2 players who have been moved so far are "Drake" fans. Well see how this all goes, but there is definitely a chance that the "rebuild" was being used to distract from the real agenda, getting rid of the outspoken "Drake" fans. If you look at what they asked for from Houston for Q, they are perfectly willing to trade him, and he had zero to do with that mess. This isn't just to do with Drake LaRoche.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) "A covert response would significantly limit the deterrence effect, he added. "If you can't see it, it's not going to deter the Chinese and North Koreans and Iranians and others." The Obama administration says it still has more than 30 days to do exactly that." Sure, now that it really doesn't matter. Great. Maybe they will shoot some missiles at empty training camps too.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) Still trying to get to vikings and I watch DS and feel the same although I did not see yesterday, thanks for the spoiler. Ha, sorry man. Vikings is absolutely worth the watch. Great show, one of my favorites.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) Not really. It said US told Russia retribution would be coming and hinted at a big cyber attack before Jan 21 Flat out, they have been scared to do anything in public.

Anyone still watching Designated Survivor or Vikings? DS I keep trying to get into it, but it seems like every week there is something about it that seems so unrealistic as to make me irked. This week the fact that the FBI agent is wanted by everyone, yet she is able to rip around DC and then crash the inauguration and not get caught until she shoots at the shooter is just ridiculous. I like the plot and most of the characters, but I just can't buy in at the half season mark. This season of Vikings is off to a great start. I loved Rollo trying to get back into the gang and Bjorn trying to drown his ass to get even. I also can't wait to see what Ragnar does now, along with the rest of the crew.

QUOTE (Username @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:45 AM) Guys, this is why you have to be careful with sample sizes and stats: - Reed had only 15 ABs all of last year against lefties in the majors. 1-15 is bad, but Alex Bregman started 1-32 OVERALL. - The guy had an 870 OPS against lefties in the minors last year. - He's 23 and sprinted through the minors. Still tons of time to develop. Way way too early to call him a platoon bat. Would love to see him in a Q deal as a buy low. This is where you have to trust your scouts and baseball people.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) I agree honey.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) I still expect half of you that are okay with us losing to be b****ing in the game thread about Avi and Shields and whatnot Seems low.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 07:09 PM) What's going to be really interesting is if an even more damning report on the hacks comes out before Obama leaves office. On one hand, it could add to the further troubles already going on with the transfer of power, de-legitimizing Trump and causing him to act even more erratically and confrontational. On the other, can Obama really afford to "just let it go" when someone like this is unprecedented, at least going back to Watergate, and the Constitution sure never conceived of defending against cyberattacks/foreign direct intervention into US elections (to steer them to a specific outcome more favorable to Russia). The NYT times article already said this is exactly what the Obama admin did.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 05:08 PM) Right, I just don't see why they think he's anything better than a 4th outfielder. In the long run, probably not. But for the near future, there is literally no one in this organization who is better.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) I'm thinking there's a pretty good chance Tilson is a part of the CF picture. I'm not sure why but whatever. They had brought him up immediately and were making him a starter. As long as there are no residual effects from the tear, I have to imagine he is the starting CF on opening day.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) Hester's career is likely over. Has to be a HOFer right? He has to be. He changed the game from the return position.

I am sick of this winter, and it isn't even winter yet.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) If he truly is a $200 million player, he is far better off waiting an additional 2 years and not messing with the other stuff. I'm sure he will be paid a pretty good wage in Japan those years. Last season in Japan he made 100m Yen, which translates to just short of a million dollars when you factor in the exchange rate.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) Meh. The worse you are the more money you are allowed to spend in the draft. You want to pick as high in each round as possible if you're bad so you can get a larger bonus pool. That has also been tighten up in this CBA. The first pick slot is worth about $2 million less than it was.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) Agreed. It would be difficult for the MLB to cry collusion if he was able to sign an extension after playing for one full season. If that's legal, it becomes very plausible for Otani to "bet on himself" by taking his $9m to come over and prove himself, having made a handshake agreement to discuss a 6-figure extension in that first offseason. Given his age, he would stand to make a ton of money even if he's merely above-average, even if it's still less than he'd have made at the peak of his hype. Viewed through that lense, the rules are then really only a significant piece of negotiating leverage for the signing team. Also, I wonder what the restrictions are on that ~$9m rookie bonus contract. For example, could they still work in a "you cannot send me to arbitration" clause or something similar that would reduce the team's level of control? If you work it out right, he could set himself up for a pretty decent payday. Remember, you can pay out the bonus over a period of three years. If you divide the bonus by three and put it over the first three years, and add the salary to that, he can bring home about $3 million in the early years. One of the features I remember of the early extensions is that they move up a little bit of the money so that instead of half a million a year, they make around a million by the third year. Then hit the arb years with an increasing rate that matches the upper end of players in those years (5/10/15m?), and tack on 2 or 3 of the free agency years at a big number, say $25 million or more, plus a large buyout for those years ($5m? $10m?), you could put together a pretty defensible deal for Otani to get some money guaranteed, and the team to lock into a set rate.