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http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/base...spects-chat-13/ Benjamin (Chicago): Alec Hansen has started his pro career out better than anyone could have imagined. What does the future hold for him? Is he anything more than an 4 or 5 starter when he finally lands in Chicago? Ben Badler: There’s a wide range of outcomes for Hansen, but that’s one of the most encouraging pitcher debuts for a 2016 draft pick. Matt Eddy drew a parallel the other day between Hansen and Garrett Richards, another pitcher who had terrific stuff with poor results in college, and I think it’s a smart one. It’s frontline starter stuff, and if he can continue to throw strikes the way he is now, wow, the White Sox could end up with a steal.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) Regarding Hansen, I have to take a college pitcher's rookie league production with a huge grain of salt. The thing is, high rookie league is a much higher level of competition than OU was, and his numbers have gone up a ton since he got into the Sox system. I mean I am not all in by any stretch, but there is zero doubt that there has been some kind of adjustment made, and Hansen's control is astronomically better than it was in college. His walk rate has gone from 6.79 BB/9 at OU to 5.14 at AZL to 2.64 in GF. His walk rate in the minors is lower than any year he had at OU. His walk rate in the MiLB is literally HALF of what it was at OU. Something has changed.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Alec Hansen is looking like a nice pick. Alec Hansen is looking like a 1-1.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) The highest-paid starting pitchers, by average annual value: 1. Zack Greinke, $34,416,666 (2016-21) 2. David Price, $31,000,000 (2016-22) 3. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20) 4. Max Scherzer, $30,000,000 (2015-21) 5. Jon Lester, $25,833,333 (2015-20) 6. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19) 7. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19) … Stephen Strasburg, $25,000,000 (2017-23) 9. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18) 10. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16) Relief pitchers The highest-paid relief pitchers, by average annual value: 1. Mariano Rivera, $15,000,000 (2008-10) (2011-12) 2. Rafael Soriano, $14,000,000 (2013-14) 3. Brad Lidge, $12,500,000 (2009-11) … Jonathan Papelbon, $12,500,000 (2012-15) 5. Francisco Rodriguez, $12,333,333 (2009-11) 6. Jonathan Papelbon, $12,000,000 (2011) 7. Joe Nathan, $11,750,000 (2008-11) 8. Rafael Soriano, $11,666,667 (2011-13) 9. Francisco Cordero, $11,500,000 (2008-11) . . . David Robertson, $11,500,000 (2015-18) ouch The spread between the highest salaries isn't as big as the spread between WARs.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 12:36 PM) A top 20 reliever is worth about 1.5 to 2.0 WAR A top 20 starter is worth about 5 WAR You can look a worth in two different ways. You can look at it as a statistician, or you can look at it as an accountant. We can see the kind of contracts that top notch closers are getting. We can also see the personnel packages that are being given for closers. I think their worth on the open market far surpasses their WAR value.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) I've said it quite a few times, but Sale is a poor example. He was a dominate starter in college. Chris Sale pitched in 31 games (started 27 games) in his final two years in college (192.1 innings). Sale's high mark was 103 innings in on season (final season) Zach Burdi pitched in 47 games (zero starts) in his final two years of college (59.1 innings). His high mark was 30 innings in one season (final season). There is a big difference in the sense that one guy was a starter for two years and the other guy has started since high school. The Sox have been amazing at converting and stretching starters. If anyone can do it, it will be them. Even if it doesn't happen, with what a closer is worth today, you have got to reevaluate the old idea of what relievers are worth in the draft. I mean look what a pending free agent wife beater was worth on the open market.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) No I'm not missing the point, just taking your silly argument to a ridiculous end. It was reported that scouts thought he could possibly be a starter and even reports that the Sox intended to make him one. Spending a couple years attempting to make him a top of the rotation starter is a much better option with minimal downside. After a year or two if that didn't work just make him a reliever again. The extra innings of experience would serve him well anyway. This is the exact path that the Sox followed with Chris Sale. Just because he is called up as a reliever today, doesn't mean he is a reliever forever.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) The point is that you don't draft CEILING relief pitchers in the first round. You hope for better...some will work out and others won't. I they don't work out as starters then they can be reliever. Your logic would field a 60 win team...let's use our first round picks for guys were confident can be relievers and utility infielders...whoopee! What the Sox lack are impact players. These players must usually be drafted or signed internationally. Williams and Hahn have done a particularly poor job at org building. And let's be honest. Burdi was drafted to help the pen THIS year; Now that even Williams, Hahn and their Ouiji Board have to realize the Sox aren't in it, it's time to develop him as a starter. Burdi isn't a "ceiling" closer. He has three pitches.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) Holy crap, how about the guy who went face first into the steeplechase hurdle. I don't know how that guy knows his own name at this point. This guy. https://twitter.com/Cmoneymoney8/status/765938846081032193

Holy crap, how about the guy who went face first into the steeplechase hurdle. I don't know how that guy knows his own name at this point.

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) Amazingly... Kaplan>>>Bernstein I don't have much respect for Kaplan, but this should have never been a question. Kaplan is a million times better than Bernstein.

Mr Robot coming back for season three

Which seemingly is coming straight from JR.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) The owners would never do that, because they would never want that done to them. Taking away the ability to relocate would severely impair the leverage of ownership in future stadium negotiations and in turn would make the team substantially less valuable in a sale. Owners will never impair other owners from the ability to make money. I 100% believe that MLB ownership would select an ownership group with Chicago ties versus one wanting to leave Chicago. I think big picture, the league as a whole makes more money with a second team in Chicago, and the OAK/TB moves to one of those markets versus the Sox front running one of those truly struggling franchises and potentially leaving it to stay where it currently is. That is why they wouldn't approve an ownership group who wanted to move the team.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) I guess that Mexico City and Motreal are frequently speculated as expansion locations, so they could be in play, but I don't see it. I can't see Mexico being a go with the Peso as the primary currency down there. That puts a team down there at a competitive disadvantage to get revenue in Pesos, but pay out in dollars. It has been an issue at times in Canada when the C$ is weak.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) I believe so, I think that the TV money they can get in those markets that have zero summer live sports inventory is going to dwarf what they would get as the second team in Chicago, especially if CSN goes in all 162 Cubs games and relegates the SOX to CSN+ or local TV. The Sox already have a $50 million annual TV deal, even before it is renegotiated in 2019. That could push into the $100 million annual range for sure. I don't see anyone outside of Chicago beating that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) The A's aren't. The White Sox also have a lease. Why would the league let the White Sox move and take away a landing spot for one of the other teams that has less revenue and worth significantly less as a franchise? Things are much different than the mid 90's when the Sox were looking at moving. With all of the expansion, plus the OAK and TB issues, the Sox wouldn't be allowed to move. I mean they could try, and they might win in court ala the Raiders (though the MLB monopoly powers might trump that), but what would happen is that MLB wouldn't approve a sale to any ownership group who wanted to move. That solves the problem before it evens starts.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) There are definitely markets that have needs for a baseball team. SLC, UT The Research Triangle, NC San Antonio, TX Las Vegas, NV Indianapolis, IN These markets are all growing at a faster rate than Chicago, and in addition to that have regional sports networks that do not currently have local baseball programming. TV is where the real money is for baseball franchises now, ticket sales are nice, but they are drop in the bucket comparatively. Do you see any of them being able to out produce the money that the Sox make as Chicago's 2nd team? I don't.

ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 2m2 minutes ago In his 282nd career plate appearance Monday, Bartolo Colón drew his 1st career walk (he had most career PA w/out a BB in MLB history)

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) He's certainly intriguing. KATOH projects him as the White Sox's top prospect and the 111th prospect in the game, I assume mainly based on his 2016 destruction in Birmingham. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/an-improved...h-top-100-list/ If a stat shows Delmonico as the Sox top prospect, the stat is probably pretty flawed.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) I think Darrin Erstad when I read about him, not sure if that's a good comp or not. If Alex Call turns out to be Erstad, I will be thrilled.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 05:23 PM) When is this resolved? I've read teams have interest in dealing for him which I would assume is more likely than the Astros just releasing him/letting another team just claim him. They have 10 days from the designation.

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