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The only way I would think about it is if they were willing to kick in one of their top prospects in an area of weakness (say Odor or Alfaro) to soften the blow.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) Still would rather have Rodon for 3 extra years than Fernandez. Fangraphs projects Rodon at ~3 WAR/year and Fernandez ~5 WAR/year right now, which means Rodon would give us more total WAR over his time with us than Fernandez, and that's assuming Fernandez is healthy and Rodon doesn't improve. Then you're adding all those other guys? Rodon has a shot at being as good, or better than, Fernandez, and whatever he does will be at the league minimum for the next three years, while Fernandez quickly accelerates towards the nine figure contract he has coming.

Saw all six at the movies. The first Star Wars I was like 4 years old and saw at the drive in. Was addicted ever sinvce.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) He also had a sub .300 obp on the road. His OPS was still good at .835 but it was .960 at Coors. I'm not trading my whole system for a guy that isn't a premium bat outside of Coors. The change from teh biggest OF in baseball, to one of the smallest here, would take a huge chunk out of BA and OBP.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:05 PM) What nagging injuries has he had? Sale has missed time due to injuries in each of his major league seasons. Typically dead arm type of stuff.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) 7 years and $150 million is "incredibly team friendly" to me compared to what he'll get if he's actually a free agent after 2019. If you thought he was healthy and you could ink him to that deal...you could again be calling it "still a great bargain" in 2020. Only reason why you wouldn't do that if he was willing...is health. You have four years of control with significant risk to think about before adding over $100 million to his deal to only get back 3 more years from 20-22. Effectively you'd be paying around the rate of Zach Grienke's deal to get those extra 3 years.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:30 PM) If Hahn did plan on extending Sale, what kind of contract would he give him? 7 years and $150 million? The Sox have control of Sale though 2019. With the nagging fear of serious injury, and the regular nagging injuries keeping that have followed him around annually, I wouldn't be looking to extend him unless it was incredibly team friendly with options.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:31 AM) Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 6m6 minutes ago Spoke with Vandy baseball coach Tim Corbin who raved about White Sox #1 pick Carson Fullmer. "He’s the nicest, meanest kid I’ve ever seen." Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 3m3 minutes ago Tim Corbin says that Carson Fullmer is "the strongest-willed kid we've had come through." More than David Price and Sonny Gray. #WhiteSox He is going to either hate or love Chris Sale.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) Yes, but it is Price or Greinke. Not Jason Motte. And they are getting 50% more per IP.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) I have a semi hypothesis that with how significantly teams are valuing their prospects, that the paradigm / moneyball shift might actually be in using your prospects for other cost-controlled players. It seems like in so many cases teams don't want to give up their top guys that the value for good players is actually less than you would expect (because everyone is kind of to the point of overvaluing prospects). Been thinking about this lately and than when I see stuff like Seager / Urias for Jose Fernandez being absurd (a guy who isn't a free agent until 2019 and when healthy (and he looked like he didn't miss a bit late last year) is one of the best pitchers on the planet at 22/23 years old) and I think to myself how absurd that notion is. What are the odds that Seager / Urias both hit...slim and I think the odds of Urias being at Fernandez level are also equally slim. Bottom line, I find myself to the point of, maybe using chips (not necessarily vets) but for position equivalents of solid players is the real way to go. Look at how the Jays scourged the A's last year for the AL MVP. As the price of front line talent goes up, the value of prospects goes up accordingly.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) They are basically paying him a little over $100k per inning pitched. Jason Motte. That is less than the going rate that David Price and Zach Greinke got. They will be closer to $150k/IP.

Well I supposed that is a good thing that teams think enough of him to want him.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 05:00 PM) I just started watching it. It's really trippy and it might not be a simple enough show for people to follow what's going on. It is not a simple show at all.

The move from Avi to Upton would be worth something around 100 to maybe 150 OPS points if you give Upton a pass on his San Diego year because of their ballpark. Defensively they would go from a dWAR of -1.8 to 0.2. Those are two huge jumps.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) Whelp, the wife and I are expecting baby boy #2 in June. The house is about to get more crazy.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) 2nd season of Leftovers was some great TV. Sadly only 500 people watched it. Totally agree. I love the mindf*** they used for the plot twist in the season finale. Great writing.

Blash was also a Sox draft pick who didn't sign.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 07:23 PM) Can't trade Fulmer. Not that I believe they would even consider it. QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) Guys Fulmer can't be traded so don't worry. QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 08:10 PM) He can be traded as a player to be named later similar to how trea Turner was traded last season QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:52 PM) Fulmer can be traded. That rule was changed last year after the Trea Turner nonsense To be clear here, draft picks can be traded after the World Series, and can't ever be PTBNL before the World Series. The rules were changed last year.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Not OPEC - specifically Saudi Arabia and a couple other Gulf countries, who have enough cash to afford to do so, are flooding the market with cheap supply. Other OPEC nations that don't have those kinds of reserves are NOT happy about it, there is a rift growing in OPEC. But yes, the main goal of the Saudis is to shake off shale oil in US, Canada and a couple other countries jumping into that. Plus a nice side effect of slowing down efforts and desire for alternatives. Then they'll bring supply back down later. Yet another reason why alternative energy should really be a priority in this country. National security and risk abatement. Yeah OPEC can't agree on anything right now. Saudi Arabia is sick of being the one who does the cutting and no one else, so they refused to cut unless not only the OPEC nations cut, but places like Brazil and Russia as well... which aint happening. But yes, the goal is to crush competition Rockefeller style, price undercutting.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) Part of the problem? If you treat people who have inside info like a dick, what do you expect? It has nothing to do with this site, rather you consistent willingness to go bash media people on the twittersphere. If that gives you kicks, great, but I find it rather pathetic. I'm not certain what the dissenting opinion is related to? I'm purely talking about a track record you have of bashing the media and individuals with those sort of opinions as well as the track record to blast them on twitter where you can do it in a nameless / faceless fashion. It is pathetic. Their is no other possible conclusion to come to other than that. This is not debating whether X or Y player is a better fit or which scenario is more reasonable. And when it comes to members of this site, I'll protect the right of any poster with some legit inside info who shares that info and will take offense when people want to "bash" said individual. Said bashing just ruins it for everyone else. I am with Gage on this one. You can not believe the information if you like, but going after the poster without knowing anything just serves to piss off anyone who does know what is up.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) That's such an odd way to look at it. Machado impacted 162 games last year. Sale impacted 31. The difference a hitter gets 4 chances to impact a game. A pitcher usually gets 30-35 per game. Their influence on the games they do pitch in is much greater.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) Strong dollar is not good for oil.......Nor emerging markets.....I think the big indicator is corporate debt and Corporate bonds....When that mkt starts to dry up then all bets are off...Cannot engineer fake earnings Dollar has been a part of the fall, but the supply fundamentals are way more important here.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) Otoh wages are still pretty much flat since forever The job market numbers were interesting this time around. First time claims were 269k last week, while 211k jobs were created in Nov.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) Just because a SP only pitches once every 5 days doesn't mean they aren't as valuable as position players. And DA is right, the days of overwhelming prospect offers are over. Everyone loves their prospects now, and GMs are going to be too gun-shy to pull the trigger on the deal it would take, especially with the general risk that pitchers have. Chris Sale faced 854 batters last year. Jose Abreu had 668 plate appearances last year.

The difference since TeamGuillen left town is amazing. Add to that a Chicago sports media that has no spine, and you have a great environment for secrecy.