southsider2k5

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) Well, i'd argue the Melky/Robertson signings did do just that. Technically winning is going to hurt the system more as well, I am guessing most aren't opposed to that.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) It's handcuffing your general manager's ability to build the roster in the way he sees fit, because the owner/president want to try to win now, every year. Honestly, I think it has been better for our system, because fewer guys are being rushed to the majors before they are ready.

QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 3, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) I can't think of many that were as bad... This team does not have the leadership or confidence to know how to win... its clear over and over. When ever they really need a win... its a choke job from the coaching staff to players. Until they flip the staff and maybe even the front office this will never change. At the very least it is the worse thread titling...

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) They still can't escape this philosophy with the major league roster though. As long as it isn't hurting spending on the draft and internationally, it isn't hurting anything.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:35 AM) I like how you were mad when you thought Laumann was promoted, and then stayed mad even after you learned he was basically pushed aside into a smaller role, and are still mad. I had a lot more anger for White Sox scouting until the numbers and information started to trickle in, and after the new CBA, our farm system has done a 180. The talent for growth and scouting is there, we just hadn't utilized it properly on a management level. For that I blame JR and KW for making the decision to spend where they did, and not on guys like Laumman.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:26 AM) This is an interesting question. LDF, I believe that it used to be this way. There was a period where the Sox neglected the draft badly and signed "quick to the majors" low upside starters in the 1st round. the Lance Broadways and Chris McCulloughs of the world. It was a terrible time. Then it seemed like Kenny Williams wanted to infuse the system with athletic tools type guys. At the same time, Jerry Reinsdorf didn't want to spend $$ on the amateur draft. Because of this, they used high picks on guys like Jared Mitchell (fine pick at the time), Trayce Thompson and Keenyn Walker. In 2011, Chris Sale kind of fell in their lap and they rightfully chose him. I feel like 2012 is the year in which it flipped though. The draft bonus system changed and kind of leveled the playing field for the White Sox. In 2012, there were rumors of Marcus Stroman and Michael Wacha. College pitchers which have been a typical staple of the White Sox. This time, they took athletic HS OF Courtney Hawkins. In the comp round, they took Keon Barnum. 2013 was similar, there were rumors about the Sox taking college pitching and then they took Tim Anderson from JUCO and Tyler Danish from HS. We all know about 2014. The White Sox spent the 2nd most money in the entire draft and landed Rodon and Adams. Bottom line, the drafts have been much better but it's ridiculous that they weren't always taken seriously prior to the rules being changed. I don't think that it wasn't taken seriously at all. I think it was an organized philosophy of chasing the ring for many years which led them to put resources into the major league team instead of the draft. The number from a few years back about the Sox having a long period of time when they were last in draft spending proved that out to me. They would have rather drafted lower players, and pay them less, and instead used the money to put back into the major league team. That has definitely changed over the last five years or so, along with a re-emergence of working hard in Latin American with Marco Paddy's arrival.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 3, 2015 -> 07:10 PM) Not like the Sox in the last ten years. They can't draft a position player to save their lives. Which is funny because we have two new complete system products in the starting line up right now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 08:42 PM) This just screams of an Oakland value claim. He has another year of reasonable contract still.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 11:06 PM) Got it. Now at least we know where your argument starts and ends. 2015 = 2009 = 2006 = 2003 = 2001 = 1997 = 1992 = 1987 = 1984 = 1980 = 1976...so on and so forth. The team's results clearly don't matter to you, because you enjoy the White Sox no matter how they do. Alright, that's good for you, I guess, if winning is just something "nice" for you. Some by-product that if it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, oh well, it doesn't. Fine, I respect that. Just be respectful of those - and there are many of us, btw - who aim for something a little bit more than that. lol, what? You "aim for something a little bit more"? What does that even mean? What exactly are you doing to "aim for something a little bit more"? So if I think I understand the logic here, you need to have a big result to feel like you get something positive out of a season, you haven't gotten anything positive out of 50 of the last 55 years, and yet you are back for another year? And not only that, but you feel the need to dwell on those results over and over again? Yeah, I don't know where I would get the bitter idea from. Seriously, you need a new hobby if you are coming back again for something that had disappointed you 50 out of the last 55 years.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 10:45 PM) What was the weekend total? Mid 90's? Over 100k, I believe.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) I enjoy winning. Don't you? Certainly beats being "bitter" about some made-up garbage about an alleged "excuse laden" fan base that you cannot back up with anything resembling facts. Just YOUR bitter construed conjecture. Talk about a waste. Excuse laden is very accurate. Post after post of yours is all of the excuses for the fan base. How many times have you sighted the 5 in 55? Funny how that works, right? Winning is nice, but I don't need winning to get enjoyment out of the White Sox... unlike some.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) There are plenty there, Oh really? Like what? The highlights of the other four playoff experiences by the White Sox absent the 2005 run, from 1960 to the present, can be counted on one hand. The team only one four games in those measly other appearances. but honestly, it does no good to waste them with someone who is just looking to tear down everything and be bitter. I am not bitter nor do I want to be, so please stop classifying me as such. You don't know me. I will say without hesitation that I am disappointed over the many years of ineptitude by the franchise, but who true fan wouldn't be? I WANT SUCCESS FOR THE CHICAGO WHITE SOX! What do you find such a "bitter" perspective about that? Is that too much to ask for? But then again I don't have the instant gratification standard where I need a playoff team to enjoy baseball. Baseball is a great game. If you keep sticking to the 5 in 55 mantra, you are missing out on 50 years. Seems like a waste of time to me. Ok, SS2K5. I get - and respect - where you are coming from. And you are 100% correct - "baseball is a great game". No arguments here about that. But from a franchise perspective, and then ultimately from a fan base perspective, those missed opportunities in those 50 years out of the last 55 have made a difference, at least attendance-wise. My continued hope is that will change. Am I confident that will, given the current ownership/management structure? No, because the JR/KW/RH brain trust configuration of the past 13 years creates no confidence in me doing so. Doesn't mean that can't happen, but the track record isn't encouraging. But absent any suggestion of change in the current management team, all I'm left with is fingers-crossed hope of improvement for the team. Reading the responses here, and all of your other responses, nothing is ever enjoyed. It is all about the 50 years they lost. If that isn't bitter, I don't know what is. You have made it clear you get nothing out of a year that doesn't involve the playoffs, otherwise it wouldn't be post after post about 5 in 55. Even with a clear chance to tell me you aren't bitter, you spend the whole time talking about all of the things you are bitter about. That is just such a waste. Find something you enjoy.

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 07:51 PM) Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 35m35 minutes ago BOS, OAK, SEA, CLE ahead of CWS in waiver priority. Some have also speculated Oakland would be a fit for Valencia. https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo This just screams of an Oakland value claim. He has another year of reasonable contract still.

The Royals are going to lose someone to a broken hand or wrist sooner or later because of this continued stupidity.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Everyone except maybe the Cardinals has a Cooperstown full of busts.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) Until team reaches .500 this thread should be closed. Don't click it. Problem solved.

Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 6m6 minutes ago Best MLB records since June 30: Yankees 17-9, White Sox 18-10, Pirates 18-10.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) Lol - well that's an easy one to answer. I watch because I am a fan - long suffering, admittedly, like yourself, what with the team's poor track record over the years and all, but a fan nonetheless. I'm also particularly interested now that there's an outside chance the team could slip into the playoffs. That doesn't happen very often for us as you know, so I remain hopeful that it does, and then, who knows? Once yer in, anything can happen! And maybe if they do make it to the postseason this year and proceed to make a good run at it while they're in there, you might just actually be able to provide an answer to the "What's your favorite playoff memory outside of 2005?" question. That seemed to be a stickler for you the first time you were asked. There are plenty there, but honestly, it does no good to waste them with someone who is just looking to tear down everything and be bitter. But then again I don't have the instant gratification standard where I need a playoff team to enjoy baseball. Baseball is a great game. If you keep sticking to the 5 in 55 mantra, you are missing out on 50 years. Seems like a waste of time to me.

QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 11:50 AM) Am I missing something or is this article nothing new or unknown? It was by Bruce Levine, so you know there won't be anything earth shattering... He won't say anything until the news is out already

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) Not comparing pitchers, but lets take a look at Kershaw's rookie season: 107.2 IP, 109 H, 52 BB's, 100 K's, 4.26 ERA Rodon: 80 IP, 86 H, 48 BB's, 87 K's, 4.84 ERA Again, not saying Carlos is going to turn into Clayton, but the talk about sending him down, he's an average prospect, ect ect is incredibly premature. Rodon could easily be throwing at Winston Salem or Birmingham right now, and he would be racking up numbers that would have him considered one of the top prospects in all of baseball. Hopefully people aren't losing sight of what the kid is doing right now.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 04:06 AM) Outside of 2005, what are your favorite "playoff related highlights"? So bitter. I have no idea why you still watch.

So for those keeping score at home, over the last 10 games that is 70 runs and 121 hits for the offense

That is a good list. i can't see teams blocking on that group.

Scot Gregor ‏@scotgregor 17m17 minutes ago Danks after pitching 5.2 innings vs. #Yankees and allowing 1 run on 3 hits with 8 Ks: "Tonight’s the best stuff I’ve had in 2 years" Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 8m8 minutes ago Danks: "It’s nice to be able to reach back and throw a respectable fastball.” Danks: "The first time I looked up and saw 93, I wanted to throw confetti out there."

Christopher Kamka ‏@ckamka 2h2 hours ago John Danks this season in 6 starts vs teams currently in first place: 1.85 ERA in 39.0 IP