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That sounds about right to me as well. Maybe this is even one of those deals where they move 2-3 more lower guys with one guy like Norby at the top if there are guys who are on the fringes that the Sox like so as to help Baltimore with their numbers game, but still put together something that would beat out other teams.

Intellectual stuff from Harry and Hawk? Wat?

an entire minute of talking, but saying nothing at all

Does it really count if this was the 1950s and you have been gone longer than he has been alive?

https://www.baseballamerica.com/teams/2027-chicago-white-sox/prospects/?season=2024

There is a middle ground you are missing here, where instead of throwing the guy 100 innings in the first half of the season, they use him for shorter outings at the beginning of the season, thus leaving him more innings for the end, and for a team who might trade for him to utilize. He's worth more today than he was in March, but he also could still be worth more if he had more innings availability projected.

At least.

If you get him to give up any free agent years, it won't be cheap.

Crochet has to want to he extended.

If you watch interviews with him, he 100% admits that "Hawk" is a made up TV persona.

My point is we control a superstar potential asset for 3.5 years. If you don't get what you want, you take the chance. This isn't a guy who leaves in three months, or is limited ceiling. Rick Hahn did this to perfection with Jose Quintana, waiting almost a full year past his initial other deals to do it. I don't start worrying about depreciation on him until we hit 2 years of control.

And trading Crochet 3 years ago would have been a disaster.

Yeah, this. Hawk was this on steroids.

I don't like operating a large market MLB franchise like cowards. Get value for your players.

Cool. Or it might. That's the game you play.

If he wasn't already going, he sure as hell is now.

Luis in his injury riddled career is a 125 OPS+ player. Cameron was 106. They are no where near the same universe as hitters. Cam's career best year of 123, is less than Roberts average of 125. Lu's rookie year of 100 OPS+ is his career worst.

Then you use some of the 3.5 years of control you still have until it works.

And there is never, ever, never enough pitching on the trade market, especially since the extra wild card. Dealing pitching seems to always be better at the deadline, especially the mediocre kind.

Which they will use to sign the next C tier Benintendi.

If he is anywhere close to 2023 Robert, his contract is a bargain.

What's a "good market" look like is the follow up question.