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QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 10:41 AM) Magglio also had hit after hit vs us in the beginning. You can also add Cameron. I am going to crawl waaaaay out on limb and say that Pods doesn't scare me nearly as much as Maggs, Crede, Frank, or Cameron...

It made me ill.

Nice.

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 07:40 AM) there a top five staff in all of baseball why because some sports writer said so ? like i said let the season play out then lets talk Then go away until the end of the season and let the rest of us talk.

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 07:34 AM) ok he is a great pitcher so lester must be even greater or what term do i use please don't compare stats Danks to Lester . this whole arguement is about the word its self GREAT PLEASE tell me how this pitching staff is great ? like i said its good but not great not yet and why not use wins and losses to compare a great pitcher in the end isn't that what seperates a great pitcher from good or ok pitcher. i read here before how vasques was this and that but if we don't look at his late season pitching or as most here put it the important or pressure big games then his overall numbers are well great . so that makes him great ? and some body brings up HALLADAY TO . OH please are you saying Danks will be or is in the same group of pitchers as a Roy Halladay ? then somebody takes out Danks rookie season stats why ? well we will see how great this pitching staff is i have a feeling many here will be disappointed that there not great they are good but not good enough to carry a fairly weak defensive and a low offensive production team . i don't believe our lineup as it sits now will produce enough day in a day out to win . now if this was a great pitching staff or rotation we would still win there is a big difference in being good then being great . Ugh. Where to start in this slop. This staff is in the top 5 in MLB when compared to the rest of MLB. Pretty much by definition, it makes them better than good. Your strange statistical whims are what is bringing on some of the other comparisons. You seem to feel that winning or losing a game is what makes a pitcher/staff "great" or merely "good", which people are trying to tell you is a terrible way of looking at things. Losing a game 1-0 or 2-1 doesn't mean the pitcher didn't do their job. It means the offense didn't. Losing a lot of those sort of games means the exact same thing. Blaming the starting pitchers for not winning low scoring games makes less sense than the mess above. Taking a career era to determine how a guy who has been in the league three years is going end up doing is just a notch less not practical. The reason Danks rookie season was brought up is because he has been around three years, and it is an obvious statistical outlier when compared to his last two years. It isn't a complex action. Halladay was mentioned in the same vein of proving that a persons early years doesn't automatically doom them to mediocrity. I won't even get into the random capitalization, punctuation, and grammar that is just making my head hurt.

Worst musical of all time!

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) http://www.dailynews.com/ci_14151185 Carroll is putting all this investigation nonsense in his rearview and driving up the coast to better times! Man, I bet USC gets TOTALLY f***ed over with sanctions next year. A basketball team in the tank because of shady recruiting and a football team not far behind And neither of the b**** coaches stuck around. The NCAA totally sucks in the way that they punish teams.

Zimbabwe is a place I don't want to see. Although I could probably buy it with the change on my desk.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 09:53 PM) Call me crazy, but I think more than a lack of suitors dropped that price. I take it they were never reported to ask for anything reasonable? You mean like the Sox trading for Pierre?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 09:30 PM) Great, now we have to play Scotty Pods 18 times a season ... and Getz ... and Brian Anderson ... and Fields. All guys who will want to kick our ass. Good luck to our pitchers keeping Scotty off base. He had a lot of multi hit games last year. Royals are loading up on our players. I fully expect us to trade for DeJesus soon and the Royals to sign Dye or Thome. So I am waiting for the bad part of this...

Funny they didn't deny any of that as it was happening...

So is Jennings Kid or Play?

One thing we have learned is not to wait around for a lead off hitter. That spot in the order has killed us too many times.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 07:04 PM) How can you find that irrelevant? It's absolutely paramount to the argument. Exactly. How long exactly is Kenny supposed to wait around while Pods price is insane? Heck part of the reason his price got so cheap is because the White Sox getting Pierre eliminated a place where he could go. Same with the Cubs and Byrd.

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 07:05 PM) not 1st baseman like agon there not . what has danks accomplished that makes him so great ? so irreplaceable ? if he was righthanded he is avg at best so because he is lefthanded he is irreplaceable and is a great pitcher i guess its me but for me to say someone anyone is great i want to see some real serious accomplishments . Danks 31-33 win loss era 4.06 i admit he is still young and he will get better but he is not at this time in his career a great pitcher . he is good . and like the old zen master said will see . Throw out his rookie year, and I would bet that falls to about 3.75 or so. Quit giving his wins and losses are proof of his pitching.

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 06:43 PM) No but how can people say its a great rotation Floyd has been inconsistant as to has Danks. and buehrle in recent years has been avg the second have last year was below avg . Peavy was hurt last year so his numbers are not enough to really judge . i guess what i am saying is will see . but i can't label 3 13 game winners and a hurt guy from last year an say its a great rotation. i know i will get slammed i will get what buehrle did in 2005 and no hitter perfect game . i say the rotation is good not great until they do something even cooper said that and he is there pitching coach . and i still would package danks to get AGON . We led the league in quality starts last year but we won 79 games . do you remember all thoses 2-1 3-2 games we lost or the 0-2 1-3 games we lost but were quality starts . we need another area of our team to depend on other then these 4 to 5 guys . Games won are about the worst measure of a pitching staff. You pretty much admitted the flaw in your argument when you talked about losing low scoring games. That isn't the fault of the pitching staff, and it doesn't make them mediocre, or whatever you think they are. They are a top 5 staff in all of baseball 1-4.

HOpefully he got a money back guarantee.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 06:06 PM) The ultra tough BearSox. That's all I need to know...

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 05:54 PM) Alright, with Vlad off the market, you have to take a look at signing JD and rotating the DH/RF spot between him and TCQ. Give them each plenty of rest and also use the DH for Konerko some with Kotsay taking over 1st. That would keep all 3 of the older players well-rested (JD, Konerko, Kotsay), as well as give TCQ plenty of chances to DH and stay out of harm's way. At this point, JD is easily the best target who can be had and could fit in our budget, and he'd sign a one-year incentive-laden contract. That makes for a poll idea!

QUOTE (scotty22hotty @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 06:08 PM) I think KC is the 2nd best team in the Central w/ this move.

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QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 05:15 PM) I still do, just to teach the children behind the counter about life in the olden days. And to piss off people like me in line behind you...

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 04:38 PM) Of course not. KW didn't wait and he ended up losing and now we have one of the worst offenses in the majors and Andrew Jones as our DH. Yeah, we lost out on Pods. There is about zero chance that he replicates 2008. All you have to do is look at his career numbers to do that.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 01:50 PM) I spend the rest of my time volunteering in 3rd world countries. But I guess reading two books is noteworthy. He volunteers in Bridgeport, which is pretty much the same thing.