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Seems a bit low for a 2 player return.

Take either Crochet or Robert out and we can talk. Also less pitching, more position players.

At the rate he is going, he is a $20 million pitcher on the open market.

That's when I know I am not wrong. It's when I agree with you that I reexamine my position to see if it is indeed wrong.

I am not sure whose ass you pulled Scott Fletcher out of, but that's not the going price for a guy in Fedde's position. Look at any of the deadline deals we made for our pitching last year, and realize at this point there are fewer sellers at this point than there were last year.

Fedde is going to be here for a year and a half and then be gone anyway. What do we need Fedde for on a 100 loss roster? Get the future guy for him and look for the next Fedde.

Lol, wat?

Yeah, I don't know why this whitewashing of TLR is happening by a couple of people, but I am going to offer my version of community notes here: -I don't know why people are latching on to the "DUI" thing as somehow being a bad thing to have a lack of respect for a person because of. Yes, I am fully OK with thinking less of someone who has all of the privilege and wealth that a man needs and yet somehow twice be caught endangering the lives of other people (and himself) with the full knowledge that he probably did this dozens of times besides being caught twice. The average is thought to be somewhere around 80 times before being caught. All while fully being able to afford a freaking uber/taxi/limo home at worst. Even while caught, the man tried playing the "don't you know who I am" card. -He also has the stigma of being accused of racism by former players, coming in to lead a team full of minorities. It was definitely worth questioning if that history would be a fit with a young and very much non-TLR looking team. -Even besides his less than glowing off of the field record, the man had been outside of a baseball dugout for over a decade, and was rightfully being questioned over how he would be able to handle how much the game had changed since he left. -If you want to look at his interim front office work, since he left the dugout, it centered around two teams that took large steps backwards during his tenure with them. So while a couple seem to feel this was only about his DUIs, that is 100% not true. There were a ton of legitimate reason being given as to why hiring Tony was an awful idea, and nothing that happened during this time here seemed to do anything to disprove that. Tony inherited an ascending playoff team, and it fell backwards pretty significantly during his time here. He also publicly hung his own player out to dry and ignored his own coaches trying to tell him rules updates, before quietly quitting for a reason that still hasn't been fully explained to the general public, among some of the public controversies that surrounded his time here.

We could even talk about subbing in a former and recently graduated guy or two as well.

How do you justify that he alone wasn't the problem?

That JR/ Eddie group was the first Hawks teams I really got into.

I mean I would take the Dodgers top 10 for both.

I think Fedde has made a clear case that whatever changes he has made in Korea have translated to the US, and he is finally living up to his first round grade. if you include his Korean performance as a part of his step forward, that makes two years of this, so you can feel comfortable of being beyond the "fluke" stage. His peripherals show maybe a half run worse than he has been so far, but going from 3.00 to 3.50 era isn't going to be a HUGE difference in the trade market. All things considered, I think the asking price of a solid top 100, plus another decent piece fits the bill.

Everything started going wrong under his watch. He inherited a playoff team, and turned it into a .500 team while he was here. Those trends just continued after he left.

GIVE ME 26 ECKSTEINS OR GIVE ME DEATH! JR, probably.

Even before the 2nd DUI was made public (which had been kept quiet) no one wanted to hire him.

It is amazing how much hard contact a guy like Kopech gives up.

The guy who is getting everything out of Crochet and Fedde? You don't think the problem is Kopech?

So what is the solution?

Well lucky for you that's exact what Getz did. Can't wait to see what we get for Nicky Lopez and Martin Maldonado.

Are we really worried about the service time of guys like Lenyn Sosa, Oscar Colas, DeLoach, Fletcher, etc? I mean I am not. This is the time to be figuring them out.

Except with our luck, the band of little leaguers would be the 2025 White Sox.

Interesting list as the first two guys busted, and the 3rd ended up pitching, as did the 5th.