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Cubs fans believe that a Billy Goat is causing their problems, and Sox fans believe that Greg Walker is causing theirs... How different are we really?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 06:17 PM) If I could, I ask for everyones prayers today for a friend and fellow student who was hit by a car this morning. Apparently she has suffered some head injuries and is in serious condition. All of the best Slav...

I kinda figured that was coming a couple of days ago. I am sorry to see Day go, because he really looks like if he stays within himself and doesn't try to overthrow, that he can actually stick here.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 07:47 PM) Harsher teeth in the laws (and enforcement) for the companies that hire them and pay them below minimum wages > punishing the individual illegals. Take out a demand and the supply goes down. See a lefty understands economics! And oh yes, to the mention of leafblowers -- Is there anything more futile? QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 09:30 PM) I'm all for busting the businesses that knowingly hire illegals. Nail them to the wall. And deport the illegals they catch while you are at it. I've said all along, if you take away the incentive to come here illegally, then the illegals quit coming here. If companies knew they would get hit in the pocketbooks, they would damned well make sure they were hiring legal workers. QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 04:08 PM) I’ve yet to see an unbiased, official study done to find out what the real numbers are, and I have a feeling that’ll never happen. I can see how it would be difficult when having to factor in the contributions of their labor, spending as consumers and taxes on their purchases, true numbers of the social services illegal immigrants themselves use, taxes they do pay, etc., but I would think it would be beneficial to do so. Maybe someday… Of course cost and distance are the determining factors. And I’m sure you knew that too. Your great sympathy and wanting to bring more immigrants in danger in war-torn countries is interesting, though… Of course if it doesn't agree it must be biased. The really interesting thing is even the "unbiased" studies out there, don't take into account the HUGE cost that will be added to our tax base when amnesty is granted to 12,000,000 more people. People want to panic about the cost of social programs and the budget deficit now, try adding at least 12 million people to those numbers... Which I still have wondered about for a while. Why is it that only non-Americans can work menial and "undesirable" work? No one wants to call it racist when they want to import Mexicans to work our undesirable jobs, but it is racist when another group doesn't think illegal behavior should be rewarded... I don't get that. Because it is much more fun to stereotype the people who think that laws actually mean something. You hit on a good point here, but miss another. There is one big difference to the way people are coming to the country now, and that is they are breaking the laws. People have always assimilated into our culture in the second and third generation of immigrants, but that has nothing to do with following the laws of the land. Things have changed, and immigration should reflect that. When the country was perpetually expanding you had room, jobs, and wages for everyone. Now with the emphasis on profits, if you import labor, you hurt the people who are already here. Trust me I see everyday in my own hometown, people who only have blue collar skills, who are crowded out of the labor market, because there are other people who are willing to work for below minimum wage costs. Should American's be punished for following our own laws?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 02:26 PM) Did we trade one of our bullpen guys to the Braves? In roundabout way... yes.

This could go into either thread, but it is depressing enough on its own merits. http://hillaryspot.nationalreview.com/post...WQ4MzdkZWE5MDQ=

Continuing the clean up of Pork in Congress, guess who added the second most earmarks for the defense bill? HILLARY! http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clinto...2007-06-13.html

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 01:20 PM) And, then Dye will blow out his knee and be on the DL until August so we can't trade him. Buehrle will go thru a bad stretch in July and teams will start saying he's lost it again or hurt just like last year and the Sox won't get a good enough offer for him. So not to piss off the fans ,they keep him and try to re-sign him after the season but he goes elsewhere for some ridiculous offer. You know that it's going to be a half-assed rebuilding process. Yeah, because Kenny Williams does everything half assed

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 01:07 PM) A pitcher who's 4-3 with a 3.42 ERA in the AL versus a pitcher who's 2-9 with a 5.33 ERA in the NL. Jesus Christ on paper this should be a cakewalk. I'm almost terrified by that. Heres the prop bet for the weekend... who scores more on Saturday the Sox and Pirates, or Panama vs USA in Gold Cup soccer?

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) Then you can't be older than 16 years old. Sorry. Actually it seems to be the youngest posters who are the most bitter and negative. The older ones don't see things nearly as dim as the youngins.

I am surprised it took them this long...

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 12:03 PM) saluki magic my butt....ill throw a jayhawk in for good luck. go go sox, please Not Rock, Choke, Jayhawk

The scary thing is if Tony is really supposed to be dead, who takes over the Jersey family? Paulie is the top guy left over, right? Yikes.

File this one under "signs of the end of the world" There is a Broadway production of Xanadu? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070615/ap_en_...er_xanadu_actor

http://hillaryspot.nationalreview.com/post...WQ2M2I4YmI3Y2Y=

Detroit would have made for a much better series, no doubt about it.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 09:08 AM) No formal deal was ever proposed. Hmm... Very interesting. A team need a third baseman, and there was no proposal made for Joe Crede. Could it be they knew he was damaged goods?

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 09:58 AM) Whatever, so because you have 1 example of people being lazy that you also have no evidence that their illegal immigrants only that their hispanic thats what you base your judgement off of. Some of you need to get a clue and open your eyes. Not everyone has been here for 3 generations, is white, or has the financial backing to immigrate. And since im fairly confident all of you posting right now have no clue what thats like, its useless arguing a point. Especially when someone compares war to being an illegal immigrant or robbing a bank which is just utter stupidity. War causes death, destruction of homes, an invasion of another country by force.... a bank robbery is putting your own life and everyone in that banks life at risk, even if you dont plan on using your gun. And if you dont have a gun than your not robbing a bank. Illegal immigrants are filling jobs that nobody else wants to do, being in hazardous working conditions and making below mininum wage. To compare that with war saying they are equal is just utter nonsense. Im done debating this topic. Oh, that's right, I forgot American's are too good to work menial labor, that's why we let the illegals in. In all seriousness, you might want to do some research before advancing stereotypes like you have been, espeically if you are going to attack someone else for it. You also have no idea of anyone's backrounds on here. You also have no idea what the statistical truth is in these cases.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 08:48 AM) Again not comparable offenses, and the first one doesnt work because one results in the death of many people and the destruction of towns. Plus how is robbing a bank beneficial to america at all? Illegal immigrants do jobs most citizens dont want to do, they are beneficial to the country. So you tell me how robbing a bank and killing people is comparable to someone wanting a good life for their family and working harder than you ever will to achieve that goal. And working in a way that doesnt harm others or put them in dangers way. Freedom for Iraqis isn't a way of making their life better than dictatorship and genocide? You don't think they don't want to be able to live life without a secret police knocking on their door and taking away someone in the middle of the night out of their house? And think how much greater robbing a bank would make my life? I would never have to work, and I could spend all kinds of time helping my kids out. Don't you care about my kids? Plus if the bank would make it easier and just give me the money, I wouldn't have to endanger my life to do it. That has got to be a winning situation right? I am sad you have fallen for the fallacy about illegals doing work that most American's don't want. They don't want the jobs because they cannot survive on those jobs wage levels. Corporate America is all too willing to reinforce that fallacy, when in reality they are leaving out the most vital line, which would make it a truth. American's don't want to work those jobs, at below living wages. What people don't seem to realize is there is a cost to illegal immigration. Most immediately it keeps down wages for blue collar American's. After that it does cost money to suppor these people. The study I sighted last week estimates it costs $20,000 a year in a net tax money out flow for each illegal, on average, that is in this country. Are you telling me if you added $20,000 a year to some of these jobs, that no one would still be willing to work them? Somehow I doubt it. And if we really need labor, there are plenty of people all over the world who would be willing to come here and do it, and they would be willing to do it legally. We also wouldn't have to depend on the racist system that gives preferences to the places in the world which are closest to us. There are plenty of people in the world who need help more than lots of the illegals who are here. Why is it that a Mexican who can climb a border fence is a better candidate to live here, than a Rwanada lost boy? Is the fact that one lives closer than the other, more important than the fact that boy might be killed simply for being what race he is? Why shouldn't someone like that have his life made better first? Because it costs too much? Hell Social Security costs too much, but I don't see anyone saying to get rid of it.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 05:24 PM) Thanks. Glad someone caught it. This is my personal bias, but for some reason I'm not jumping up and down about acquiring a former Sox prospect whose durability and small frame were questioned when he was traded the first time, and he's coming off a mediocre year in AA. Keep in mind that the GM said he would not trade a starter unless the major league team received help. I like Gio, but honestly it never felt like he left and he doesn't help out this 2007 team. The Padres were looking for a third baseman since the last trade deadline. They were rumors or at least talk back in July about the two teams, and San Diego did indeed make a move to acquire a third baseman this offseason. So who were the Padres offering for Crede?

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 08:26 AM) War and illegal immigration arent comparable at all Why not? If all it takes is a nobel cause, and trying to improve people's lives to excuse illegal activity... that works for me. I think I might go and improve my family's life by robbing a bank... Do you think Congress will make a law to cover my butt too?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 03:02 PM) next week, and the Sox will be buying just a hunch QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 03:29 PM) because KW is stubborn and won't call it a season until midway through July. Or because Minnesota came back from a similar deficit a year ago. Or because Cleveland came back from an even greater deficit after the all-star break in 2005 and got to within like a half game. So, he is going to think the Sox have a shot at it. The problem is that the White Sox definitely don't have the youth that both of those teams had, and it certainly doesn't appear as though the White Sox have enough talent in their minor league system. I fully believe this is what will happen.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 07:16 AM) I think that's part of it, but wait a second! Most of these illegals don't work for corporations, because that would suggest that corporations only have jobs that americans don't want. Funny, I keep seeing raids in big old factories and not in orange groves. But I am sure that no one wants factory jobs in this country, right? Its not like the manufacturing sector has just been demolished and sent overseas and to Mexico or anything. All this is, is a way for corporations to crush their wage structure by finding people who will work for low wages and no benefits. When Wal-Mart does it, they are an evil corporation. When Congress does it, they are somehow nobel? Please.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 07:54 AM) illegal immigrants do all the dirty jobs that most citizens want to have no part of doing. They work harder than anyone who posts on this message board and get paid a helluva lot less all for the hope that life can be better for their family and a better future for their kids..... so yes I think arresting all of them is utter bulls***. So all it takes is a nobel cause to excuse everything? Cool. George W Bush is trying to instill democracy in Iraq, there now everyone should love the Iraq War. Even if he lied and broke a few laws along the way, who cares, he is trying to make a better future for their kids. Now Bush's ratings should go through the roof, right?

I think the Critic wins for most accurate 2007 prediction.