southsider2k5

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 11:42 PM) I wish Dusty....sorry, I meant Ozzie....and the rest of the team would shut up and play the game on the field. Maybe since the fans were so busy telling Ozzie how to use his pen, Ozzie figured he would tell them to do their jobs and get the games? Once again Sox fans are the biggest fair weather fans ever. They will use any excuse at anytime. I hate to say it but everyone of those quotes is right. Its one thing to draw 15,000 in April, its quite another to draw that in September with the best record in baseball.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 06:38 PM) You gotta post a lot more now to make up for missed time. Is that possible? A man's gotta do, what a man has gotta do.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 06:34 PM) Hey wait, posting at 6:30 - does this mean you have *gasp* internet at the new house? RUN!!!!!!!! Sure do. We are back at 100% operating capacity. Internet, phone, and cable. I was starting to go through withdrawl

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 05:09 PM) Not absolutely necessary...but could it really hurt? Just to have 1 more pitch in his back pocket that he throws like 2 or 3 times per game just to throw people completely off? A slider or a cutter? I think that'd just be the icing on the cake. I bet money they try to add a cutter in the offseason. Its the Sox MO.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) Brooks is too awesome. He is a god. We invited him out to the patio party for all that are going. Hopefully he will have the free time to stop by.

QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) i'm on my way to become the most useless poster to make it to 10,000. QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) I might have beat you by like 5,000 posts Don't flatter yourlselves

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:29 PM) No. It's just someone immature who believes wiping out a fact is better than debating one. :rolly OK, its obviously air clearing time. You seem to like to fancy yourself as some sort of a martyr who is fighting the forces of evil who discriminate against your beliefs, and I am here to tell you that you could not be any more wrong. Juggs, you singlehandly generate more PMs, emails, threads, and other problems than all but two posters in the history of Soxtalk all by yourself. Those come from a huge range of people many of them who share one belief or another with yourself. The fact that you are still allowed to post on Soxtalk today is a testement to exactly how open-minded this site is. If you would have caused half of the problems and arugments on any other site, you would have been gone a long, long time ago. Technically you and the other poster you were arguing with should have been suspended instantly, but because we have tried to bend over backwards to show everyone else that your allegations of discrimination are incredibly false, you weren't suspended, even though the new policy stipulates that you are supposed to be suspended without hesitation or consideration. The sad thing is the majority of the time when you are saying that you are being attacked and using that as a rationalization for your poor me entitlement attitude, you are simply being hit back by someone else who has tired of your condesending attitude and need for personal attacks. No one has any pity for someone who is crying "he said something mean to me", when you in fact instigated the situation in the first place. In reality, there maybe one person on this board today who ends up in more fights when it is considered how often people post. Everytime you post, you end up in a fight with someone, I could set my watch to it. The telltale sign is that it is rarely with the same person, which is the key indicator as to where the problems lay. The sheer volume of warnings, PMs, and suspensions that you have logged is by far the most of anyone who is still allowed to post on Soxtalk, and yet you feel you are discriminated against? That is laughable. If you want to point to your posts being edited today as being a part of some grand conspiracy to rid Soxtalk of pious Christians, you can quit flattering yourself. There have literally been dozens of posts edited by this staff, with a whole whopping two of them being yours. All of them contained objectionable material under the new guidelines that were clearly outlined and discussed. Many people even posted messages or sent PMs after their posts were edited, apologizing for their behavior, and realizing that their posts weren't necesary. Now,guess who the only person to cry wolf was? But of course, it means everyone is out to get just you. A few posts may have been missed, but all that means is that a mod or admin didn't catch it. We have been really consistant and even-handed about whose posts get edited. I personally have even edited the posts of people I consider friends off of this board. It doesn't matter to anyone who posts stuff, the point is to stop the pointless namecalling that has taken over Soxtalk. None of us have claimed to be all encompassing perfect, so things will be missed. I can speak for myself is knowing that I wasn't on the site until 13 hours after the first post was made, and I totally missed it. If I would have saw it, I would have taken it down without a second thought. The fact that the arguement was with you probably saved the other guy from getting suspended as well, because once again, I am trying to show that no one is after you, so the other poster couldn't have been suspended without you, in the name of evenhandedness. And finally realize that 99% of what you get on Soxtalk you bring upon yourself. When you consistantly attack people and their opinions and use terms of derision to describe peoples points of view, you will have people who look to tear your posts apart. Even more-so the selective application of statistics, facts, and quasi-sciences when convient for your own point of view only exaserbates the people who want to prove you wrong. Add to that never admitting you are wrong, and it only means that people are going to look for your specific posts to discredit. There are a few other posters on here who fall under that category, and for some reason none of them generate half of the problems that we get because of you. They seem to be able to understand that they reap what they sow, and that there isn't some vast left-wing minor internet board conspiracy to make sure they never post again, but that they made their own bed. Now I am sure you will pick this apart and use what is convient to fuel your misguided rage against the man, so have at it. Just realize that everyone here has actually bent over backwards to try to prove to you that no one on the staff here cares if you post. They care if you attack people, and their opinions, and there is a huge HUGE difference between those two concepts.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) Bienville founded New Orleans where it was because of its accessibility, located right between the Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain. So from that standpoint it made sense. The growth of a settlement to a metropolis on the same site, that was not so well thought out. Truth is, though, there has been a lot of land subsidence since then. The site is worse now then it was ehen it was founded. And if I understand it correctly, it is the very levee system that is the biggest source of the problem as it did not allow for the natural deposit of silt in the low lying areas down there, which has contributed to them being further below sea level than they would have been. Ironic.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) Unless someone knows everything we are all ignorant of somethings. I equally noted the hypocrisy in the edit. Mine is completely wiped out (censorship) & the other was selectively modified. :rolly Yep you guessed it, the whole crazy wacky liberal athiest Soxtalk world is out to get you.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) No s***. Not to mention, who is real confident in this admin. right now in the event of a huge terrorist attack? You don't think they've taken a good look at the past 10 days and realized that roads, bridges and levees are vulnerable. I understand that N.O. was a unique situation, but there have to be similar ones. Our nuclear facilities have been routinely failing simulated terrorist attacks for decades. Our shipping lanes have about 1% of its cargoes inspected as they cruise into ports. Russia has been selling nuclear materials to anyone with cash, as has Pakistan, North Korea and China. There is plenty out there to worry about, eventually something IS going to happen, there is no doubt in my mind. And if our governmental response at all levels is this big of a clusterf***, we are all screwed when it does.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) I think that the fact of the matter is actually quite simple...we had a gigantic budget surplus a few years ago and a known set of needs for infrastructure upgrades and maintenance in this country...we chose tax cuts. There are a huge number of things not getting fixed all around the country because of them. The Levees in New Orleans were just 1 item on the list. We wouldn't have had a budget surplus in the years after 9-11, even if we didn't have the tax cuts. That is even assuming that growth rates came near where they did after the additional stimulation of the tax cuts.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:11 PM) And the reason why this post was not wiped out is? :rolly Done. Now quit calling people ignorant who don't agree with your opinion.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) I'm equally bewilderd. Guys, what's the deal? Personal attacks are not going to be allowed. We have had tons of discussion about this, and calling people and their opinions ignorant falls in that category.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) When they judge something to be "cost-effective", do you think they judged it to be cost effective relative to how much extra tax dollars would have to be spent on the project, or do you think they judged whether or not it was cost-effective relative to the cost of rebuilding the entire city? Somehow, I doubt that they judged it was cost-effective relative to the value of New Orleans. Who knows what formula they use. If you stop and think about it, right now there are literally thousands of things that people are making studies of, and reporting that if this isn't fixed, some fatal flaw could lead to people dying, and all that it would take it a bunch more funding to fix it. The problem is deciding which projects are truely the most important with whatever cost/risk analysis they are doing right now. I'll tell you one thing, if I am somewhere like LA on the west coast, I am screaming my head off right now for more funding to prevent the samekind of disasterous response after an earthquake. It will be interesting to see if we see a shift into more funding of preventative maintence towards natural disasters, or if we see the same see-no-evil philosophy that has been prevelent in our government for decades.

Space Shuttle flights might be delayed for a year, partially because of logistical problems from Katrina, partly because of exsisting problems. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9241242/

To a damn fine poster on Post #10,000 and his becoming the 10th member of the 10K club

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) Quick point. $150-200 billion to pay for this disaster. $1-2 billion 5 years ago to start upgrading the levees. Ignore the loss of lives and just think like an American taxpayer...this is where tax cuts can really hurt you...you cut back in spending in places where you really need it. And the bills can get a lot larger down the road. How much it would have saved is debatable. The original intent was to always secure the levees to withhold a category 3 storm, it was decided in either 97 or 98 I believe that it wouldn't be cost effective to try to make the levees secure for a category 5 storm. I wonder what the difference would have been, because the basic underlying problems still would have exisisted, and that is the incompetent response of every layer of government in this disaster.

The situation on the ground seems to still be pretty bad... People trying to fix cellphone towers are being shot at, a report got robbed and shot, and someone else is being charged with shooting a military rescue helicopter. http://www.nbc5.com/news/4943362/detail.ht...317&dppid=65192

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 01:59 PM) You think him not being able to do much physical activity for all that time might factor into him gaining weight? He admitted that he hasn't been playing at all because he is afraid of hurting himself and harming his free agent value, so he has only been lifting weights. Glad he is thinking of the team there... That excuse might have worked before he got cleared for physical activity, but now he has been cleared and is still more worried about himself than anything else.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) Was the foreign aid accepted or no? I'm having a brain lapse. I haven't read anything about that.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) There is a reason he hasn't been able to get an offer sheet from anyone. He will be playing for the 1 year qualifying offer this year if he plays at all...that is going to be the end of the story. If he's smart about it...he can really turn that into a huge payday for himself too, because he'll be an unrestricted free agent...if he can stay healthy the whole year and gets himself in the shape to have another good year, he can get a bigger contract after next year than he would have after this year if the heart condition never occurred. This is of course assuming that the rumors about his weight gain are not true, or he loses a bunch of weight, quickly. Then again, why would anyone assume this to be the case when Curry has come to camp in shape once in his whole career. I wish the Bulls could find a sign and trade partner for Eddy, but no one is going to give a big uninsureable contract to a guy with questionable work ethic, a weight problem, and a heart condition.

Bush is set to ask Congress for another $51.8 billion in aid for Katrina. It is estimated that FEMA is spending $1-2 billion A DAY in aid right now. Estimates are also being put at $150-200 billion to pay for this disaster.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 01:23 PM) I like my Mini. It's the right size. That explains a lot.

And the other thing about Soxtalk, no threads stay on topic, no matter how hard you try...

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) Would increased fuel costs and a newer reluctance for people to drive places have anything to do with that? I don't think that is factored in at all honestly. I believe this is all because of people who don't have jobs anymore, and the loss of productivity both because of the lost jobs and the diverting of resources to the afflicted area. From everything I have read, the elasticity of gasoline makes for a smallish reduction in consumption.