Jack Parkman

A metric shit ton of the damage done by Bowman was done from June 2015 to the TDL in 2017. All of these moves revolve around the Brent Seabrook contract. Brent Seabrook has cost the Hawks Teravainen, Panarin, Saad for 2 years and indirectly Philip Danault. I actually really like Connor Murphy. That trade is closer than most think. (thanks Jay Zawaski) The demise of the Hawks can point to one move and one move only. Brent Seabrook's contract. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Panarin's 2 seasons with the Hawks hid a lot of deficiencies with the roster and gave them false hope. After 2015 it was over. It was fairly obvious.

I think almost every move Bowman's made since Q got fired has been really good, bad start from Strome notwithstanding. He had a really good offseason. Nylander looks really good since the scolding from Colliton, de Haan and Maatta have been solid additions. The issue isn't them, it's Toews, Kane, and Seabrook. Keith has been good after being freed from Gustafsson. Dach looks like a future star. The jury is still out on Boqvist, but I really like him. He seems like a guy that needs to play with NHLers to show his stuff. I can already see a future core of forwards here with Dach/DeBrincat/Nylander and maybe Strome. They need Boqvist to pan out badly, and they need someone from the Mitchell/Beaudin/Vlasic group to emerge. Quite frankly, all of the years of drafting low, trading picks for rentals, and paying players for winning have caught up with them. They're a victim of their own success. If you're going to point at the Penguins, you have to realize that Toews and Kane are not as good as Crosby and Malkin. Those two are on a different level entirely. They've been up against the cap for years, they haven't had any leverage in cap dump trades, etc. Regardless of what Teravainen is doing in NC and Schmaltz in Arizona, I'm convinced that it just wouldn't have happened here.

There's always arguments amongst non-Hawks hockey fans about how good Toews actually was or is. There is a vocal portion of NHL fans that think that Toews was never a superstar and maybe even never produced at first line standards. I'm not making this argument because I actually think it. I think Toews can still turn it around. I'm posting these thoughts because this is what a lot of other team's fans think of him. I think Toews was great and he just had his best offensive season last year. His play has improved the last few games, but the entire team is snakebit. I'm playing Devil's advocate a bit. I'd like to think that Toews has value around the league, but I do wonder if other teams value him as much as the Hawks do. He's kinda like the Hawks version of Jose Abreu in that way. It's just my opinion, but he's not worth moving if all they're getting in return is cap space and him out of the room. Based on what's happened, I'm content to collect lottery picks and bide the time until the core 4 are no longer under contract. They have a top 10 farm in the NHL, the future is bright.

I hope you're right. I'd like nothing more than for Toews to prove all of the haters wrong. He's been my favorite Hawk since his debut in 2007. I own 3 different Toews jerseys lol. I want nothing more than for him to be great like last year. I'm pretty disappointed. I haven't made up my mind, this is what it looks like right now. I reserve the right to change my mind by mid-January. I'm incredibly disappointed in this season so far. I want to have this discussion if you're willing to. If you're going to argue SSS I agree, it's too early to tell one way or another. It doesn't look good, and at this moment(which is what I'm arguing btw) it looks really bad.

Probably, but beside the resurgence in 2018-19, Toews has been on a steady decline since the 2016-17 season. His last 4 seasons: 2017: 21 G, 58 P 2018: 20 G, 52 P 2019: 35 G, 81 P 2020: 1 G 2 P in 9 games. One of these things is not like the other; one of these things does not belong. This is even more concerning, since 2016 Corsi/Fenwick: 16 52.2/51.3 17 52.4/50.6 18 56.8/53.5 19 51.2/49.5 20 46.0/41.0 (8 games) Toews is following the Mike Richards aging curve. It is what it is. Nobody's buying that Toews' 2019 was anything other than a fluke.

I still think there's a good team in there somewhere. They've been decent to good based on advanced stats since the game vs. The Caps. They seem snakebit on offense lately. However, the thing that sucks is that Kane is the only one of the core 4 that is movable. They're just going to have to ride out the contracts of the other three. Toews and Seabrook have negative value based on their current play and Keith is going nowhere because of recapture penalties.

It seems Tyler Johnson is the only Sox farmhand doing anything worth a crap.

So, does anyone know of some reasonably priced classes for Java, Python, R and SQL? Also, does anyone have a good link to an open source C++ compiler? Also looking at learning comp TIA Network+ and A+

Since when did Gordon Beckham play in the NBA? /rimshot

I think that we should do the offseason plan project like they do on SoxMachine. Anyone up for creating the thread?

I'm ok with Ozuna if he and Eloy are sharing DH/LF duties. Ozuna in RF is a big fat NO from me.

The teeth of the luxury tax are sharp enough that you can only exceed it once. It IS a de facto salary cap, and the owners are never going to give that back in a million years. What's killing spending right now is that there is a salary cap, but no salary floor. The MLBPA has to bite the bullet and allow a cap and floor model. They've lost the salary cap fight forever. It's here to stay. A salary cap with no floor is every sports franchise owner's dream scenario. Tony Clark fucked up.

Raise your standards dude. Grossman was a scrub.

When do we start talking about how Pace sucks at drafting in the 1st 2 rounds? The Jury's still out on Smith, but as of right now the only other good 1st or 2nd round pick he's made is Eddie Goldman.

Josh Allen had a meh day against the Dolphins. They're the only team that could make him look semi-competent. A lot of young QBs are getting exposed recently, especially Goff and Wentz. Neither are anywhere close to the Franchise QBs that they're cracked up to be. Even Mahomes and Watson aren't as good as they were in 2018.

For shits and giggles let's assume the Bears finish 7-9 this year. The Bears will have been 21-41 in Pace's other 4 seasons besides last year, and 33-45 overall(5 seasons) That's worthy of a firing. His two chosen QBs(supposedly) were Trubisky and Mariota. That's worthy of a firing. There is no reason to handcuff the new GM with Nagy, so let the new guy pick his own coach.

No this is a real thought. I've been thinking about this one since the game ended. It's still valid. Not an overreaction. This was Marc Trestman level bullshit today.

I think if the Hawks continued to play Zone on D vs. the Man to Man version they're doing now, things would be fine. The fact that Bowman thought that this would be a good idea is baffling.

So is everyone willing to admit that Trubisky sucks, the defense is overrated and Pace and Nagy should be whacked in January yet?

I hope you're wrong. Truly.

Palka should have never seen RF in a million years, you can't rule out that they have no clue how to evaluate OF defense.

If you're going to sign top talent in FA, you can think about that. You can't really trade Moncada though because he's the only LH bat in the lineup. I do think they should consider it if Moncada is intent on testing the open market. I'd keep him one more year and if he still isn't willing to sign a long term deal, you think about it then. Same with Giolito. If they're not careful, they're going to kill their window before it even opens.

Anderson, and the RF is still unknown.

Why? The last thing you want is a contact pitcher with the Sox shitty defense.

If Bumgarner wasn't the chief of the fun police, I'd think he makes a lot of sense. I'd stay far away from Keuchel.