Dick Allen

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Police crackdowns and curfews aren't exactly good for business. edit: should point out that the rumor wasn't that they were starting or encouraging riots but that they were banding together to take out police officers. If people are actually believing the Crips and Bloods to be the voice of reason, Baltimore is in a lot worse shape than anyone realizes.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) You'll get posts and statistics about whatever fits their current agenda, but anything you counter them with they'll claim is made up. I mean...what the f***, we've devolved to a point where people are actually listening to the Crips and Bloods? Yeah, the local drug dealer is all about keeping the neighborhood from going to hell.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) With the poor defense of Avi in right field I was thinking maybe they should give Brian Anderson a 4th try. He could really add defense in the 4th outfield spot. Thoughts? He'd be awesome. I'd also like the Sox to consider bringing Crede back. He was walking OK at Soxfest. The years off probably helped his back, and he is much better with the glove, even at less than 100%, than Gillaspie And Freddy Garcia is available. Would make a fine emergency starter, and I am sure he is better than Danks anyways.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) Does anyone here know if the Sox players still come to the ball park to work out? Just curious. I read that they did today. Now they have some free time to do some looting.

I went to a White Sox/Rays twi-night DH many years ago. When we got there in the top of the first, one step into the concourse we could hear McKay Christensen calling for a ball in CF. There couldn't have been 100 fans in the stands at that point.

So those milestone HR paydays ARod is supposed to receive would actually cost the Yankees an additional 50% as they are over the luxury tax.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) Lol like that will work with hundreds of angry people. Did you not see anything that happened yesterday? Big difference between people in a riot and some just milling around. If there are rioters at the gates, even locked, I bet they won't play.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) There is a street that runs right along the concourse in the out field. In order to get on the street you have a gate from I think both ends. I know when we went last year you walked into the gate at the one end and was able to walk the street. The street is pretty much part of the stadium. I'm sure they will have security out there telling people to scram.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 02:19 PM) My question to all of this is...why the hell can't they play today? They don't want to have 2 games without concession sales. The White Sox are working out at Camden Yards today.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) FOX Sports: MLB @MLBONFOX #Orioles announced schedule update Tomorrow's #WhiteSox game closed to public 2:05pET Weekend #Rays series now in TB Wow. No fans at tomorrow's game. That's what I thought would happen when they locked the gates last night. Just let the 600 or so in.But I can understand they didn't want to be at least partly responsible if when the game ended, the area was not safe.

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) Anyone care to speculate what the players preferred? Would they really have wanted to drive to the stadium and play? They were at the park Monday and were scared. But this just makes it more curious as to why they stayed status quo. Is anyone surprised today's game is not being played? Will you be surprised if they stay in Baltimore tomorrow's won't be played? If I were a player, I would prefer not to be in Baltimore at this time.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:49 PM) Roch Kubatko @masnRoch Postponed games Monday and today will be made up as part of a single-admission doubleheader on Thursday, May 28, beginning at 4:05 p.m So the Sox have 2 off days until June.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) The Oakland A's played the first 16 games of the 1996 season at Cashman Field in Las Vegas - capacity 9334 (over 12,000 with standing room and outfield grass seating). That's the closest I'm aware of to 7000. Didn't the Expos play a couple of games in Puerto Rico or something like that in a real small stadium?

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:35 PM) I'm not certain that MLB needs to get "facts out there" in this situation. They should be exploring multiple options, listing them just adds to the uncertainty and speculation. The leadership should be internal. Let's look at unintended consequences of a couple options. The O's forfeit the series. Next time, teams will fight to play games in this situation potentially placing fans and players in a dangerous situation. Play the games in Washington, Chicago, anywhere there is an empty stadium. Deep economic loss to the area. Remember how MLB owners argue that a stadium adds to much to the local economy? They can't have it both ways, losing a home game has the opposite affect. Teams shouldn't be punished for doing the right thing especially when it involves the health and safety of players and fans. The economic loss of a couple of Orioles games pales in comparison to the economic loss these riots will certainly produce. Not only with having to pay emergency personnel OT, all the destruction, loss of businesses, which means loss of jobs. I don't know if anyone really ever goes to Baltimore for vacation, but they probably do go for a baseball series. Now most will have second thoughts. I know MLB has to be sensitive to the area. They do, however, have a responsibility to maintain integrity with their teams. Sometimes there is nothing you can do, but there certainly has been options here, and so far the option they have used has been to basically do nothing.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) The fact that there are social issues that are in play here and its not because of a hurricane or natural disaster I am giving the benefit of the doubt that they have some reasoning behind what they are concluding. Maybe they have dropped the ball, I am not sure yet until I hear their side. During the riots in Detroit in the 60s, the Orioles were in Detroit to play the Tigers. Game 1 got ppd. Games 2 and 3 were played in Baltimore.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) And equally notable there are plenty of good people in Baltimore who are justifiably angry with situations there who did not want things to devolve into a riot or contribute to that riot. Right. I think most realize most of the people weren't contributing to the chaos, and many were trying to stop it. But the people who were throwing the rocks, who were looting the stores, who were setting things on fire, are not part of that group. We saw the footage. The people running into the mall and running out with items are criminals. The people busting into a liquor store and CVS, and throwing rocks and bricks, are criminals. All of them. There were several criminal cops in the footage we have seen, but the difference is, it isn't all of them. When there is video of people committing crimes, I don't think it's wrong to call them criminals.

Why do I have the feeling, Angelos has threatened lawsuits if MLB forced these games to be played anywhere but Camden Yards.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) And this is part of the grim reality of the situation. You simply aren't going to get the "best and brightest" risking their lives on a daily basis for $35K a year. Paying more means raising taxes locally - good luck with that. I think one thing that is being lost is there are plenty of good cops out there., even in Baltimore. There were guys that certainly didn't deserve having rocks and bricks thrown at them last night.

We already know, if they plan on playing in Baltimore tomorrow, they cannot start it at it's scheduled time. I really don't know how you can stay in Baltimore at this point. What is there that suggests even slightly that the situation will be much safer tomorrow? And if they don't want to go back to Chicago or take a bus to DC, then cancel the damn game tomorrow now. Maybe JR was on to something when he opposed this commissioner.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) Exchanging tickets would be a complete disaster. The box office just can't take that kind of volume. Unless no one showed up, I guess, which would be possible. They'd have to find a way to scan the existing tickets in, IMO. Which would be simple if both parks use the same ticketing vendor (i.e. TicketMaster/Archtics), but virtually impossible if they didn't, unless there would be some way to utilize existing hardware/infrastructure. Just use the tickets previously sold like you would a rainout to a game that won't be made up, and sell GA to the games.

Here's Manfred's quote yesterday: "All I want to say about that is we are looking at every possible alternative in terms of completing the schedule in a timely way and making sure the games are played in a security situation that is safe for the fans," he said Monday night. "We are going to look at every alternative at this point." I guess doing nothing is what they decided.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Of course that is part of it but I still think people are poo pooing the idea that there is a whole lot that goes into moving a baseball game on the fly. But under the circumstances, a 40 mile trip is not that far and the particulars should be able to be worked out. Or, a decision to go back to Chicago and play the games should have been made after yesterday's postponments. They are acting slower than the Mayor of Baltimore.

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Just thinking about tickets. If you have tickets for Section 201 Row D Seats 15 and 16 and those seats do not exist in the other park, or are substantially different, where do people sit? Do you exchange tickets at the gate? How long would that process take? It seems like it would take more than a day for logistics. Parking, etc etc. You give all ticketholders credit for their tickets and re-sell tickets on line and at the park. It would be a very limited crowd. It wasn't that long ago where people had to go to the box office to get tickets.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) You're all over the place here. Why is it bad to call kids throwing rocks/bricks at cops and setting things on fire thugs? Where has anyone, me specifically, said that everyone in baltimore is a thug? Clearly we're all talking about specific people here. I agree. And people who steal things from stores, burn buildings and cars and throw rocks and bricks at policemen and firefighers are, by definition, criminals.

I know the Nats/Orioles relationship isn't the best, but sometimes you have to play with the enemy. I know it's not easy getting staffing together and tickets are a problem, but really, just give all the Oriole ticketholders a credit and give away cheap seats to anyone who makes the trek to DC. It wouldn't be well attended, so you could get by with a skeleton crew. If I'm Hahn, I tell MLB either move it somewhere else or postpone game 3. No reason the White Sox should have to spend another night in that situation.