Dick Allen

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 07:56 PM) Why would Sox do that? If it was a 3 way trade, the Sox would get better prospects.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Teams can just review film from last year's 2nd half to see how he responded to a pennant race. If a team doesn't want him because of his energy, they probably weren't ever serious about him. Awful in August, great in September.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Heyman said Rios has a good reputation around the league...so I would throw that report out the window We will find out in the next week.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 07:36 PM) If I was a scout, I wouldn't care about Rios' energy in a meaningless game. You'd have to hope that being in a pennant race and the chance to make the postseason for the first time in his career would be enough motivation. Maybe, but you aren't going to give up anything of significance to find out, and that is what matters for the Sox.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 06:20 PM) What's the delay? Trade Rios and trade him ASAP. Get what you can for him. Danny Knobbler tweeted scouts say Rios is playing with zero energy.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) Could be they are just trying to bridge the gap this season until Feliz and Harrison are healthy and didn't want anything on the books next year. If that's the case, they could always turn around and deal Peavy in the winter.

It might not been a straight up trade. They might have wanted the Sox to eat a ton of money. It might be Hahn is reluctant to trade Alexei because the Sox don't have another SS and good ones aren't easy to acquire. Just ask everyone's model franchise, the Cardinals.

Hawk mentioning the fans would understand trading a couple of guys and playing for 2015 pretty much makes it official what the plan is.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:04 PM) That would be an impressive, ballsy move. Would the $100 million go to charity? I think the team keeps it. It is anunpaid suspension. No reason the Yankees or the Brewers would have to cut checks.

The Yankees have 24 home runs by right handed batters this year.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 11:06 AM) After reading the last few paragraphs of this Jeff Passan article, I will change my opinion and say that Braun does owe Laurenzi an apology. It's one thing to use the loophole to your advantage, it's another to go this far with the blame game & accusations. They should give the guy the salary Braun is forfeiting.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) Maybe. The Shields deal was a universally accepted overpay though, and Peavy has 3 years and at least 3 DL stints on Big Game James as well. I jsut think that should be closer to what the Sox should seek and ultimately accept than what the packages are for Garza. You get Peavy another season and a draft pick. Garza has missed a lot of time himself recently. They wanted to trade him last season but couldn't.

Shouldn't Peavy's value be closer to James Shields' rather than Matt Garza's?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) Lol..let me get this straight, we can never question the manager and now we can't make educated guesses about Rick Hahn's style based on his background and limited body of work? You're right, he's not my neighbor, but I'm pretty sure he's sick of having a lineup full of low AVG, low OBP players. That's one of the main reasons he signed Keppinger & traded for Gillapsie in his first offseason as GM. Again, I never said we can't rebuild our offense quickly, I've just said it's likely a 2 year process and to begin that process we need a couple of rookies in the lineup next year that our system doesn't currently have. That's why this deadline is so important. We need to add those pieces in Peavy & Crain deals. If not, rebuilding the offense will be a much more difficult and time-consuming process IMO. Yet Keppinger and Gillaspie combined don't equal the team's terrible OBP. You win with pitching and power. No question it help with more guys on base, but they won it all with the 11th ranked OBP in the AL, because they hit homers aand pitched.Get a couple of guys who hit homers, hopefully Viciedo finds his power stroke, Beckham's wrist should be fully recovered, and the home runs return.The Sox have had a power outage this season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) Morel optioned to Charlotte, Konerko to be recalled tomorrow. He really only booted one easy play, and the others would have been some pretty good glovework,but Morel looked like a matador at 3B the last couple of days. He usually sucks a couple of those up, although it is amazing how the tough ones always seem to find the guy whose confidence may be a little lacking.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 06:26 PM) And hit 200 HRs and stole 137 bases, which helped make up for their below average OBP. The 2005 offense wasn't great by any means, but it was at least respectable. They had enough power and speed (along with an elite bullpen) to win close games. You can spin it however you want, but this year's offense entered today dead last in the AL in runs scored. They also happen to be 2nd to last in team OBP and I don't think that's a coincidence. That may work for you, but it doesn't work for me and I'm confident that Hahn feels the same way. Of course it is, but the offense can be fixed by next season. It doesn't have to be a 3 or 4 year process. It is funny you question guys like Rosenthal who have toms on contacts throughout the league, but claim you know what Rick Hahn is thinking and planning like he's your next door neighbor and you got him plastered one night and got him to start babbling. If the White Sox add a couple of hitters, and Phegley turns out to be at least an average hitter, their offense will be plenty to win. They were 4th in the AL in runs in 2012. There is no reason to think that is impossible in 2014.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) Ale leads the team in ops for non pitchers who have been here all year. I bet most people wouldn't guess that. He is really hitting it hard lately, and his strikeouts seem to have really dropped off. For a while, he looked like 200 ks was more probability than possibility if he continued to get the AB. He has still been brutal defensively, and has made some boneheaded blunders,but for $2 million a year, he's not a bad player.

Rios and De Aza are almost identical offensively. Rios has 1 more appearance. They have the same amount of hits, doubles, triples and homers. Rios has 9 more steals and 25 less ks. DeAza has walked 3 more times. Pretty amazing.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 05:02 PM) And Howry and Foulke were key parts of the 2000 team, but we can't mention that. We have to talk about how the Red Sox waited 7 years instead of 3 years for that trade to work out for them . And, who got the save?

There were over 27k there again today. An enjoyable win and a sweet catch by Wells. I'd love to see Wells get some regular time for a month just to see what he can do. He has a lot of talent.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) Then you weren't listening or watching. And then you could check out Slocumb's stats from 1997, including his 1.90 WHIP and ERA near 6 and his 17 saves, and then check out Roberto Hernandez and his 27 saves, and tell me who was the better closer and that Seattle wouldn't have taken Roberto in a heartbeat...without even considering the 2 other pitchers the Sox threw in. And the reason I'm bringing this up now is that in this thread, some said we don't want to trade with the Tigers. Just pointing out a specific instance where that philosophy was extremely costly. Keith Foulke had a really nice career, and Howry was great until he got hurt. Caruso was a moron, but he had some ability, and Barcelo was supposed to be the gem of that trade, but he got hurt. True story, he was complaining about a lot of pain and KW called him a p****. It turns out he needed both shoulder and elbow surgery.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) Rick is paid to be a salesman, both in terms of selling players to opposing GMs and selling tickets to fans. He's never going to tell the full truth nor should he. I know you watch this team on a daily basis and will admit the offense is horrific. We need some big changes (more OBP & better contact) before we can truly contend for a World Series and I don't see how Hahn can disagree with that. The good news is we have assets in Peavy & Crain (and possibly others) that we can use to help improve our offense. We should also have quite a bit of money to play with over the next two offseasons. If Hahn makes the right moves, he can turn things around pretty quickly. If not, it's going to take much longer because we don't have any prospects in our system who will likely be ready before the 2015 season and we can't fill all our needs in free agency. You do know the Sox were 11th in the AL in OBP when they did win the WS?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 12:08 PM) We have the 3rd worst record in baseball. Tweaking isn't going to solve our problems. You can keep avoiding this hard truth all you want, but thank god Rick Hahn doesn't share your optimism. Change is coming in the next 10 days and it is much needed. Having said that, we have a championship caliber rotation in place, even if we move Peavy. That's a great starting point and provides us with an opportunity to become competitive again much sooner than some people realize. However, for that to happen, Hahn needs to cash in on some assets at the deadline and acquire a couple of young bats that can be part of the core going forward. If Hahn can accomplish that and acquire a couple bats in free agency over the next two years, I think 2015 is realistic to be legit playoff contenders again. Again, the key here is acquiring two young bats that we can develop in 2014 along with Beckham, Viciedo, Phegley, & possibly Gillaspie. The sooner we have some young, cost-controlled hitters in the lineup that we can actually count on the sooner we will be competitive. Have you talked to Rick? Publicly he has been far more optimistic about the White Sox immediate future than anyone. Pitching is there, they need offense. The 1976 White Sox were one of the worst White Sox teams ever, the next year they were the Southside Hitmen. This year has been quite simialr to 2007, when for a decent part of the season, the Sox had the worst record in baseball. 2008, they were in the playoffs.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) I for one hope we do have Rios after the trade deadline and into next year. I think he is as good an OF'er and hitter with speed as anyone we have on the team and in our system. He is in demand, but the one that we should be discussing is Viciedo. What is up with that guy? He has an above average arm and it's exciting to see him throw out baserunners but where is his hitting? Where are the homers we saw in 2012? I sure don't want to see us give up Rios for some AA prospect and then throw in cash at the same time, if in fact he is traded. Rios offensively has contributed to the Sox in a positive manner. I don't see this team in a must trade situation where we tear everything down to rebuild. Tweaking works just fine for me I agree with you. Plus Rios is essentially playing for a contract next year, which should give him some extra incentive. If they are getting crappy offers for him, and wanting the Sox to pick up cash, keep him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 08:21 AM) I think you completely misunderstood Rosenthal's point. He's not saying we can't move Rios, which is what your "take him off their hands" comment seems to imply. He's trying to say for the Sox to get what they want, which is near major league ready position prospects, they would have to throw in money or even some lower level prospects. A team won't take on his full salary and give us that type of return. Again, that doesn't mean Rosenthal thinks we can't move him or that Rios doesn't have value. I think we all take these little twitter updates for way more than they're worth anyways. Who is leaking all this information to these writers in the first place? GMs and other front office personal with a motive to increase the demand for or hide their interest in certain players. Every one of these updates should be taken with a grain of salt, because they're all mostly bulls*** to begin with. Rather, it's better to look at supply & demand and historical deadline trends to set expectations. As I stated before, his value is not anywhere near what some think. The report that the Pirates wanted him and Alexei was great, the only problem is when have they ever picked up that kind of money, and why would the Sox send enough money to make the Pirates really interested? He isn't bringing the Sox a top of the line prospect. He isn't or at least wasn't "about to be traded" when he was correctly told to sit down the other night. Anyone who wants to put any blame on Ventura for Rios' " trade value" simply doesn't have any idea what they are talking about. There is a better chance Rios is a White Sox on 8/1 than not. Of course Rios can be traded if the Sox eat enough money, that's not unique.