Dick Allen

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) If it's Floyd + spects I have no issue with this trade at all, I'm pretty much over Floyd at this point and view him just as about league average at this point. Giving up 1.5 years of him for .5 of Grienke seems fair from a Sox perspective, but most likely isn't enough for Milwaukee. I wouldn't think its enough, but its a decent start. I just wonder what teams will be offering. We have to remember, you don't get that draft pick compensation if you don't sign him anymore. On one hand you have that, on the other hand you have a lot of teams with a lot of spare highly thought of minor leaguers who are looking for pitching. I think its unlikely the Sox get him, but I also don't think the others offers are going to be as significant as many think. Its possible Greinke comes in and is lights out, its also possible his issues make him not so good. If Milwaukee really offered him $100 million, I can't understand why he wouldn't take it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:20 AM) Completely agree, I hope the Braves trade for him. I don't want to see the Sox give up Reed and someone like Quintana or Viciedo for 10 games of Greinke. If you could get him to sign an extension, that would be one thing, but for a rental with zero compensation, you have to be careful. I would definitely give up Floyd, but Reed, I don't know. I know closers are supposedly a dime a dozen, but all that guy has ever wanted to be was a closer. I think he'll be elite eventually. The elite ones are worth their weight in gold on a good team. If the Sox do trade Floyd, they are going to have some money to play with next offseason assuming they are not dropping the payroll.

JR on MB56 from ESPN.COM: "The only thing I can tell you is when Mark told me he had a $56-million, four-year contract offer, I told him he should take it," Reinsdorf said. "I really told Mark he had to take it. At this stage of your career, it's more money than you're worth. He said he was going to take it, but he'll back in four years."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 03:02 PM) Konerko is the only starter without a hit in this game. He's killing us.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) Good. What happened to the Twins in a nutshell? IMO, their pitching went to crap as did their defense. The contracts they gave Morneau and Mauer cost them any shot at retaining guys like Kubel and Cuddyer. Plus Morneau got hurt and hasn't been the same and Mauer is a slight upgrade in the power department from Juan Pierre. Their ballpark is very nice, but hitters aren't going to want to play there.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) So I received multiple texts from people saying Hawk said Beckham's mom turns 39 today? That can't be right... Can anyone confirm what age he said? When women get to be 40 and over, its common to say they are turning 39 on their birthday. Just don't do it when they are turning 29.

2 years ago, if the Sox were 1.5 games out of first and had 11 or 12 games left with Minnesota with around 70 to play, the season was OVA. Minnesota is horrible, and probably will be horrible for several years.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) I'm amazed people can still defend Beckham offensively at this point. What player are you watching? I'm seeing a guy with a heck of a lot of line outs this season who was hitting really well in the 2 hole which should re-open next season.

Beckham hasn't been very good offensively this year, but he has hit better than his numbers. He's definitely worth keeping around.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) At some point we have to just accept that beckham needs a change of scenery. He has almost 2000 plate appearances at the mlb level and has .245/.311/.380. Not exactly trending upward either. Just looking around clubs that are sellers there not a ton of 2b that are enticing, but Aaron hill is an interesting name. Certainly has had success(and failure) in the AL and is having a nice bounce back year. Probably wouldn't be a huge upgrade but he's got pop and is reasonably salaried on a team where he's likely not in the long term plans Unless its a clear upgrade, staying the course makes the most sense. Change just to change isn't very wise with a first place team.

QUOTE (Caesar @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) That cat ain't never gonna live that idea down. He shouldn't.

The Sox need Juan Pierre in LF against RHP.

In the early 90s the Sox were in Oakland and every inning they were showing a hotter woman than the inning before in a bikini. Hawk: "I'll tell you one thing about this camera crew in Oakland Wimpy, best beaver shooters in the league."

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 09:57 AM) Not a rumor, but something worth noting: With the acquisition of Myers, the Sox 40-man roster is full. Any deadline deals the Sox make are going to have to involve shipping out a player on the 40, or DFAing somebody, though I don't see too many DFA candidates on the 40 right now. Maybe Hudson if the deal is for an infielder, and maybe Bruney once he's off the DL. Couldn't they just move Danks to the 60 day DL? Anyway, if they are upgrading, this issue is no big deal.

Defense has been a huge key to the Sox winning this year. Dumping Beckham isn't a good move.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 10:35 AM) Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN In the upper offices of other clubs--where they worry about big-picture health of baseball--there is some concern about the Marlins' moves. Backloaded contracts, state with a history of not showing up for baseball games, thinking or a least hoping people pay to see a manager.................everyone should have seen this coming last winter.

I really think if the White Sox want to take part in this selloff they are going to have to offer significantly more than other teams for the same players. If Josh Johnson comes to the White Sox and they go to the playoffs and he performs better than he did in Miami, it makes their managerial decision look pretty bad and isn't going to get people to buy any tickets. This is disaster for the Marlins, but in a way, they are getting what they deserve. They didn't pay attention to the White Sox and Ozzie for the past few years. If they had, they probably wouldn't have even considered him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 08:43 AM) It wouldn't have given the Marlins what they wanted most... Salary relief. We would have had better odds with a Escobar for Ramirez swap, judging by the return Miami got. Loria was quoted as saying they had to do something, their roster wasn't working. That implies getting something back that works, but I guess what he really meant was, "I have to get out of having to pay these contracts ASAP". There are so many empty seats there now. Just wait until next year.

Amazing how little you have to give up when you make a trade with a team who hopes to have the White Sox attendance next year and you are willing to take on all the cash. Buehrle back to the Sox is a pipe dream, I doubt Miami wants to help the Sox win anyway. If the Sox win it makes Ozzie look worse.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 06:03 AM) Was that over the Pau negotiations? No, the owner was from Chicago and I think the issue was the Bulls not going along with his plan to make Chicago a 2 NBA town.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 01:32 PM) Ha, they did I wonder if he's going to have the Colonel for dinner.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) What difference will there be between Beckham and Hudson at 2nd. None, Hudson is as good if not better defensively at 2nd than Beckham. And both suck at offense, while Hudson has shown he has done better b4, but prolly cuz of age he sucks now. Hudson is not as good defensively as Beckham, and he hit about .160 last time the Sox let him play.

QUOTE (Caesar @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) Yeah because Beckham is just lighting it up with his stick. And Escobar has shown he can really hit. Beckham is better than him in every aspect except maybe Escobar runs a little better.

QUOTE (Caesar @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) Honestly, let Escobar play second. I'm just tired of the Beckham experiment. He isn't mentally tough enough to play at this level. I have nothing to back that up, just my opinion by watching him play. This is a troll type of post. Escobar instead of Beckham? Anyone who really does watch them play would never suggest this.

I really question Turner's stuff. 4 plate appearances for Dunn and Flowers and neither has k'd.