Dick Allen

People were saying the same things about Crede in July of 2005 they are saying about Beckham now. He'll turn it around just like Joe did, only he'll be able to maintain it since his back actually works.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) Name any set-up guy in baseball making $5.5 million or more who has been less productive the last 24 months... I don't think you can come up with more names than K-Rod. Liriano-------------too easy. Thornton after a horrid April last year finished with a 3.32 ERA and 63 k's in 60 IP. This year he's at 3.70 with 37 k's in 41 innings. Not the Thornton of old but definitely productive and valuable.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) I would seriously put Liriano in the bullpen and dump Matt Thornton. Liriano throwing all-out for just an inning or two would be devastating. He can get K's, he has the two pitches that Matty doesn't. Liriano in the bullpen in 2012 7 1/3 IP 7 H 4 R 4 ER 7 BB 9 K 5.07 ERA Your hatred of Thornton makes you not see the truth. I'd take Liriano, I've seen enough of Humber, but you really undervalue Thornton. I think Hawk is the last Sox GM to make a trade with Minnesota, and it was extremely minor.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) Then you give up anything positive about having Beckham on the team. He would be just an average ML SS. And his bat, as it's trending the last 3 years, would be below average. Unless you go with the magical formula...move Gordon to SS or hit him 2nd or never make him bunt again and he'll morph into an All-Star player after struggling for 3+ years. We heard he'd be average at best at 3B, but he was pretty good after a few weeks. We heard he'd be decent at 2B, he's GG calibur. His arm is strong enough to play SS and he has some nice range. I don't know why anyone would say he'd just be average, at least defensively. And he hasn't struggled for 3+ years. He was pretty awesome the second half of 2010 before he broke his hand. Ramirez is good for 3 or 4 months of the season. It would be hard to let him go, but, even if Beckham doesn't hit next April and most of May, he'll still be even with Ramirez's production up to that point. I don't think its in the cards, but it would be a consideration.

I wonder if the Sox would be willing to trade Ramirez. Milwaukee wants a SS, and eventually move Beckham to SS.

What's funny is the Guillens always talk about the wins with the Sox. How he alone made them relavent. Now on twitter if any Sox fan digs at Oney comparing Sox/Marlins records, Oney's response is always the Sox won't win the WS and that's the only thing that matters. So according to his standard, Ozzie has really only had 1 successful year in his career. Every other season sucked.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:21 AM) My DVR cut off before the last few minutes, but I was expecting a lot worse after reading this thread. It was nothing terrible that the Guillen's said. If anything, it was annoying that 80% of the show focused on Ozzie and his family instead of focusing on the players (which is always the best part of these shows). What was funny was Ozzie said baseball had nothing to do with money, only family. Didn't he go off several months ago how winning a WS doesn't pay for his plane ticket to go watch bullfighting? That baseball was all about money. The one scene where Samson was telling Ozzie he was going on vacation and Ozzie had some comment I think was made about helping him go to the bathroom but I wasn't sure. The look Samson had on his face after Ozzie popped off was not one of amusement. He was seriously annoyed at Ozzie's response. I think Samson is a weasel, but I don't think Ozzie is going to last in Miami. Maybe he moves to the Royals and they will start playing like they did when they had George Brett.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) One thing to consider about De Aza is that he's arb eligible next year. So unless you think he's still going to improve a lot, this is probably his peak value. If he keeps playing like he's played this year, he's going to be a bargain for several years.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) Brewers are interested in DeAza. Interesting. Maybe that's why KW inquired about Ichiro. If they made the trade is there any doubt as soon as Vernon Wells is let go in LA he would be reunited with Rios.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:45 AM) My biggest concern with trading Q for Greinke is that there's a solid chance Q performs just as good as Greinke does the rest of the way. Q has already dominating some of the best lineups in baseball. That's true. Greinke, IMO, is boom or bust. He's either going to go on a huge roll or will struggle with the giant spotlight.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:37 AM) Why do other teams want Floyd? If the Sox are so willing to dump him at this stage in his career, why would other teams trade for him as opposed to a younger, cheaper player? He's actually shown he can get MLB hitters out. Sometimes very well. With the others, its all projection.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) If it's Floyd + spects I have no issue with this trade at all, I'm pretty much over Floyd at this point and view him just as about league average at this point. Giving up 1.5 years of him for .5 of Grienke seems fair from a Sox perspective, but most likely isn't enough for Milwaukee. I wouldn't think its enough, but its a decent start. I just wonder what teams will be offering. We have to remember, you don't get that draft pick compensation if you don't sign him anymore. On one hand you have that, on the other hand you have a lot of teams with a lot of spare highly thought of minor leaguers who are looking for pitching. I think its unlikely the Sox get him, but I also don't think the others offers are going to be as significant as many think. Its possible Greinke comes in and is lights out, its also possible his issues make him not so good. If Milwaukee really offered him $100 million, I can't understand why he wouldn't take it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:20 AM) Completely agree, I hope the Braves trade for him. I don't want to see the Sox give up Reed and someone like Quintana or Viciedo for 10 games of Greinke. If you could get him to sign an extension, that would be one thing, but for a rental with zero compensation, you have to be careful. I would definitely give up Floyd, but Reed, I don't know. I know closers are supposedly a dime a dozen, but all that guy has ever wanted to be was a closer. I think he'll be elite eventually. The elite ones are worth their weight in gold on a good team. If the Sox do trade Floyd, they are going to have some money to play with next offseason assuming they are not dropping the payroll.

JR on MB56 from ESPN.COM: "The only thing I can tell you is when Mark told me he had a $56-million, four-year contract offer, I told him he should take it," Reinsdorf said. "I really told Mark he had to take it. At this stage of your career, it's more money than you're worth. He said he was going to take it, but he'll back in four years."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 03:02 PM) Konerko is the only starter without a hit in this game. He's killing us.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) Good. What happened to the Twins in a nutshell? IMO, their pitching went to crap as did their defense. The contracts they gave Morneau and Mauer cost them any shot at retaining guys like Kubel and Cuddyer. Plus Morneau got hurt and hasn't been the same and Mauer is a slight upgrade in the power department from Juan Pierre. Their ballpark is very nice, but hitters aren't going to want to play there.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) So I received multiple texts from people saying Hawk said Beckham's mom turns 39 today? That can't be right... Can anyone confirm what age he said? When women get to be 40 and over, its common to say they are turning 39 on their birthday. Just don't do it when they are turning 29.

2 years ago, if the Sox were 1.5 games out of first and had 11 or 12 games left with Minnesota with around 70 to play, the season was OVA. Minnesota is horrible, and probably will be horrible for several years.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) I'm amazed people can still defend Beckham offensively at this point. What player are you watching? I'm seeing a guy with a heck of a lot of line outs this season who was hitting really well in the 2 hole which should re-open next season.

Beckham hasn't been very good offensively this year, but he has hit better than his numbers. He's definitely worth keeping around.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) At some point we have to just accept that beckham needs a change of scenery. He has almost 2000 plate appearances at the mlb level and has .245/.311/.380. Not exactly trending upward either. Just looking around clubs that are sellers there not a ton of 2b that are enticing, but Aaron hill is an interesting name. Certainly has had success(and failure) in the AL and is having a nice bounce back year. Probably wouldn't be a huge upgrade but he's got pop and is reasonably salaried on a team where he's likely not in the long term plans Unless its a clear upgrade, staying the course makes the most sense. Change just to change isn't very wise with a first place team.

QUOTE (Caesar @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) That cat ain't never gonna live that idea down. He shouldn't.

The Sox need Juan Pierre in LF against RHP.

In the early 90s the Sox were in Oakland and every inning they were showing a hotter woman than the inning before in a bikini. Hawk: "I'll tell you one thing about this camera crew in Oakland Wimpy, best beaver shooters in the league."

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 09:57 AM) Not a rumor, but something worth noting: With the acquisition of Myers, the Sox 40-man roster is full. Any deadline deals the Sox make are going to have to involve shipping out a player on the 40, or DFAing somebody, though I don't see too many DFA candidates on the 40 right now. Maybe Hudson if the deal is for an infielder, and maybe Bruney once he's off the DL. Couldn't they just move Danks to the 60 day DL? Anyway, if they are upgrading, this issue is no big deal.