Dick Allen

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 08:05 PM) The big problem is...if he's on Houston, he's probably a 25 minute player, which means he's a lot more valuable for Houston than for the Bulls. Ultimately, the Bulls have to beat Miami. In the 3 games this year against Miami he had a total of 4 points 6 rebounds and 3 blocks. He doesn't help them there.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) Thibs used him at the end of games all the time man, what are you talking about? He's never a non factor, his presence in the post alone changes the trajectory of so many shots. You're playing 4 on 5 on offense at the end of the game. He can't touch the ball or he's going to the line. Never a non-factor? Really? There's games he plays 3 minutes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 07:54 PM) No, the tax hit is the amount they get paid that year. If it's 5/5/15, then the cap number is 5/5/15. Then I bet they match.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 07:49 PM) He is not over rated for what he's expected to do. He is an ELITE rim protector, and also an elite rebounder given the minutes he plays. Everything else you said, its not his game. He's not charged with passing or playing offense. I know nowadays people tend to like flashy offense and they tend to ignore defense but... Most of the time, he's a non factor. I agree with the defense and he's a decent rebounder, but he's very limited. He can't be used at the end of games because he can't make a free throw as we all know very well. He's a nice guy to have on the roster but its very understandable if the Bulls walk away. Without Rose most of this year and maybe Deng for a portion, they are going to need some guys who can score.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 07:46 PM) If the deal is 3/$25, then the first 2 years would be about $5 million a year. That would probably be enough to push the Bulls over the tax level next year. I'm just wondering if its like the NFL where they take the average instead of the yearly total. The Bulls were budgeting $5 million for him. I'm just thinking if its 2 years at $5 million and that's the cap hit, and another where he'll be a $15 million expiring contract, maybe they do match. I personally don't think he's worth $5 million a year. Throw out his huge games against Charlotte last season, games I'm confident the Bulls would have won without his services, his numbers are even worse than they look.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 07:43 PM) Taj plays a different position than Asik, lol Why do people keep saying don't match? You realize we lose him for nothing then right? Are you guys happy to lose a guy we drafted and developed, who has tremendous value in todays NBA, for nothing? I hope our GM isn't this shortsighted $8.33 million average for a guy who averages 14.7 minutes a game and cannot score. Sometimes you just have to walk away. Considering the Bulls will be over the luxury cap, his real cost is probably even bigger. Wouldn't mind him back, but he's a luxury not a necessity.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 06:58 PM) If Bulls match, which Gar Forman has consistently said the Bulls plan to do, guarantees Boozer would be amnestied for 2014-15 season. - KCJohnson How does the cap work on a contract like this? Is it the average or what they make a season? A $15 million expiring contract in 2014-15 would be a pretty decent trade chip if the cap hit the first 2 years is small.

Asik averaged 14.7 minutes a game. Let him go. Those minutes can be covered.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 05:39 PM) I believe the Sox used up all the good Humber already. If the elbow wasn't really bothering him when he went bad, I agree with you. If he truly had an elbow isssue, there is some hope. I'd throw today's numbers out since he hasn't pitched in a while. If his next outing is bad.........next.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 04:13 PM) Well you can ignore me too...but instead you need to argue with everything I post since I'm the person you always wanted to be in life. Wow. I can tell you I'm very happy being me. I really don't want to be someone who posts stuff like this on message boards. It was obviously an effort to get me to do something silly, but it won't happen, and you are now officially ignored.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) Honestly, DA, you ask one question, which I answer, and you then run with it under a completely different premise. I don't know if you do it purposefully or not, but for someone who runs around digging up posts to quote all the time, it's pretty damn weak. Take Balta's example: If we got Hamels back, he would clearly not play LF for us on days he didn't pitch. Does that mean that is the reason not to make that trade! No one knows what Viciedo's trade value is. Not me, not Balta, not Marty, not you and not KW. He's not going anywhere, KW loves him. So you can say trade him every game thread, he'll never improve, that's fine. But unless you're really hoping that so you can pat yourself on the back in a couple years, its really just a waste of time, and you're going to be doing it forever. He's here for the long haul.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) 2-2 split............................average 1 run a game last 2. The get some offense in the 1st inning, then nada.

Tank walks. He's improving.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:49 PM) How does it logically follow that by desiring to trade a player, I also must believe his replacement is somehow better or different? Give it up. Seriously. Jordan Danks would be playing LF in a pennant race, and you would trade Viciedo to someone who would offer a lot . You don't think he'll ever get better, but you're sure there are teams out there who do. Silly.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:47 PM) At no point have I said anything close to that. Except here: Depends what you got back, obviously. Probably Danks.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) It's not a personal insult. He's just your latest "defend at all costs" player now that Morel is injured. You disregard all your intelligence and logic to defend sone of these guys, for what reason, I don't know. Frankly I think it's more insulting to me that I feel obliged to respond to this horses***. You mention Danks as a replacement and say someone ELSE is disregarding intelligence and logic?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:44 PM) So you're actually going to tell me that Viciedo won't ever improve or learn the strike zone and you want him replaced by a guy who has struck out 365 times in 1271 PA's at AAA? And isn't Danks 25 or 26?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) Ken Griffey Jr. He's available. They may want to move him to CF. KW thinks that's easier on the legs.

Nate Jones back to looking good after a couple of bad outings.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:40 PM) I'm sure there are some teams that see what you see. I'd trade him to them. So the proverbial non answer. Who would then play LF? What would it take getting back for you to trade Viciedo?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) Hah...you're saying he's going to be an incredible player but has no trade value. I'm saying he should have trade value, if most of the scouts believe what you and Balta and countless others are saying. I'm not saying that at all. I say don't trade him. He's going to be a nice hitter, quite possibly a monster. Still learning, he's on pace right now for 30 homers. The Sox need all the offense they can get, and he's cost controlled for the foreseeable future. The correct question is what is his trade value if most scouts believe what you think? Or are you just smarter than everyone else?

Lou Pinella was doing the game yesterday for YES. He likes Dunn but thinks he should bat 6th.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:33 PM) Again, I'm not saying Dayan isn't going to improve or be a solid player. I'm saying he's not going to ever fulfill the expectations you guys have for him. It's a big distinction that many of you seem too stubborn to accept. Then wouldn't other teams feel the same way and negotiate accordingly?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) And why can we not get anything back in trade? Why? Because the result is the same week after week. He's the same player he was 2 years ago, all he does is swings as hard as he f***ing can.......You're saying he's not worth all that much but expect a big return. Talk about nonsense.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 03:26 PM) Who the f*** cares Same results week after week. Didn't show any tendency towards improving. He's 23 but so the f*** what, what does that have anything to do with it? Sorry to be showing you examples of guys who weren't worldbeaters as 23 year olds who became good players. Another you might want to look at is Sammy Sosa, who improved before he started juicing.