Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) So in essence it is different because the Marlins had already been tampering with ozzie? That is a pretty weak argument. No, its different because Ozzie, who was under contract for 2012 and was not fired, quit because HE wanted to leave, not because JR wanted him to quit. KW offered to change positions if JR wanted him to no longer be the GM.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) You have no idea if that is actually true or not, but yet you keep repeating it. I'd really like to see some actual proof of that. As for the beginning it is proof that offering a resignation means you are offering to resign. It is out of your control what your boss does with it. Just because you imagine he didn't think Jerry would accept it, doesn't make it any less legally binding. Yes I do. Its in his contract. And for the 3rd time, he didn't offer to resign. He offered to switch positions. If he offered to resign, and JR accepted, he'd be out some money. If he switched positions, he still gets paid, and if the White Sox fire him he gets one year severance, something he would also be out of if he resigned. KW has been with JR since basically 1982. He knew exactly what he was going to say when given KW's offer. I think you know that as well, but don't want to admit it.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) Ozzie Guillen. He let him walk because he was making a mockery of the franchise. He let him walk because he really wanted to walk and had a 4 year contract lined up. KW never told JR he wanted out, he said "if you want to make a change....". If JR wanted to make a change, he wouldn't need KW's approval. A change would have already been made.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) Ask Jay Mariotti was an offer to resign looks like. If you make the offer to your boss, it is real. LOL, you're comparing JR/KW to Jay Mariotti/Sun Times. Are you drunk? And again, KW never offered to resign. He offered to become a scout and he would be paid like a GM to scout.

QUOTE (maki @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:21 PM) Comparing these numbers to the draft makes you realize how ridiculous the sox are in their draft spending. you have many GUARANTEED chances to pick people with the upside of many of these guys, and you won't budge over slot. yet then we're prime players in the overbidding sweepstakes? these guys must love seeing kenny join the party just as much as seeing cashman. the dramatic difference in pricing across the two processes says there's inefficiency, at least in some players, and this much is known to the whole baseball world, except kenny of course. I don't necessarily believe the Sox are silly with their lack of spending. I'd love for them to draft guys who slip and pay overslot, but whatever they pay guys like Jordan Danks isn't going to payoff.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) Based on what evidence are you judging that was a phony offer? JR doesn't let anyone just walk away from their jobs unless they really want to. He hated Larry Himes but didn't get rid of him until his contract was up, and KWs offer was if JR wanted him to walk. If he did, he would have already told him, not have KW make an offer. Isn't it peculiar that KW made this public? Especially considering how he's been pretty much avoiding the media as much as possible?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:38 AM) He still offered to leave his position. The rest is you speculating on his contract, which you have no idea about. When you offer someone based on the reasonable assumption they will not accept the offer, its not really an offer. Now, if KW resigned and JR talked him into staying on, that would be different. In other words, KW's offer was............phony.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:31 AM) Kenny answered to Jerry. He offered to resign. The rest of it is all your spin on why you hate Kenny. He didn't offer to resign. He offered to become a seven figure a year scout.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) So, KW's wife should come out and start ripping Ozzie's performance? Actually, I might be kinda into watching that... KW's ex might take Ozzie's side. I wouldn't mind KW's sons taking Oney to the woodshed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) Huh? They faced the music when things didn't go so well.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:02 AM) You know, if you're just negative about everything, it's much easier, since you only have to admit you're wrong when things are going well. Must be nice. Additionally, I'd love to hear the s*** you'd say if you always had to comment to the press about things outside of your control. You'd be made to sound the fool or phony if I bothered to put together your greatest hits from soxtalk over the years as well. Put them together. I've always been consistent. Why wouldn't he talk to White Sox fans at Soxfest? If he's available when things are so rosy, why isn't he available when things aren't so rosy? I'm not negative about everything, in fact, I'm far more postive about many Sox things than many people here. I don't like KW, that's true, but I don't knock his every move, in fact I have given him praise sometimes. I don't like reading Cowley slamming him every chance he gets with the same thing, but KW is a phony, and he's had a long run.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 08:42 AM) Aka, it doesn't fit the agenda. Just read the quote at the bottom of your posts and tell me who KW is answering to? He dodges the press, Paul Sullivan even commented on that, and he covers the Cubs. He dodges fans at Soxfest. He only did one seminar on Friday., and ran away from anyone who didn't want to pay $500. If the Sox win, he's there everyday taking compliments like its nobody's business, giving some false modesty. He should concentrate on Market, I've never been there, but I heard its pretty good, regardless of what Oney thinks. (I think Oney was mad he was given a bill) Let Hahn take over now. He'll always have his ring and will get his due for it. Its time to move on. Ozzie acted like a child and needed to go. KW didn't act much better.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 08:27 AM) If by "making excuses", you mean "offering to resign", then yes. He never offered to resign. He offered to take a lesser role, and I imagine the way his contract is set up, it doesn't mean taking a paycut. He knew JR would say no. He's a phony that way. He also said last year if his bump in payroll didn't result in more wins and higher attendance, his employment was on the line. All false, soundbite garbage that he knows isn't true. Just like you finally came around and realized Ozzie really wasn't the baseball God you assumed for years, you will realize someday that even Joe Cowley isn't totally wrong about KW. He's not objective or fair, but he's not totally wrong about this particular subject. There is a lot of phoniness with KW. A lot.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 05:59 PM) Unless Soler signs before Cespedes, he will get more than $20 million. I'm thinking you are correct. If Cespedes gets anything near $50 million, I'm thinking Soler gets around $30 million. Considering the Sox owe Rios $38.5 million, those prices are staggering IMO. Even if the Sox miss on both, I hope their figures are much smaller. Giving these guys all that money just gives guys like Boras more ammo.

The Bullpen Gospels by Dirk Hayhurst. Its really good.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) I can't believe people are dissecting this argument about 50's vs 00's. The main point seemed obvious - the idea that KW needs to make up for a bad DECADE is ridiculous on its face. His decade of baseball resulted in a championship and either 1 or 2 more division wins, depending on how you slice it up, no to mention only one season worse than 4 games under .500. He's had either the best decade for the Sox in 50-60 years, or 90 years. Take whichever you'd like. Point is, KW has had 2-3 bad seasons and some bad trades, not a bad decade. Tbe White Sox haven't historically been tbe gold standard in regards to winning. Thank God for the Cubs or they would be in the photo for the poster child of the opposite. KW won a WS so having a bad decade is wrong. It is time though to put to rest that stringing together 82 to 88 win seasons and not making tbe playoffs the way the divisions are now set up is a success. KW is making excuses now.Read the quote at the bottom of ss2k5s posts then read his quotes at the end of last season patting himself on the back for building teams that spend time during the season in first place. Its time KW leave.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) It's simultaneously easy and hard to forget 2005. I still remember watching that last out and thinking, "No f***ing way." But I also remember, unfortunately, 2006 and 2011. The thing the Sox did right during the 2005 season was beat up on the AL Central. They were 30 over .500 vs the divison 6 over vs. the NL and were .500 against the AL East and AL West. They have to get back to beating up their Central Division foes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) The 2000's didn't exactly end well either, and it included a World Series win while leading all of baseball in wins. Even if you want to argue the 60's that is five decades ago. That still leaves plenty of room to give credit to the teams success, and not to label it as some sort of a wasted decade. I never said it was wasted. The last half was a waste of a huge opportunity, and its a lot different today. The White Sox have had some advantages they didn't have in the 60s, 70s, 80s.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Both the 50's and 60's came in under the 00's in terms of winning percentages. I think the 50s were higher than the 2000s

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Both the 50's and 60's came in under the 00's in terms of winning percentages. The 60s ended badly. If there were divisions, chances are there would have been a few playoff appearances during that 17 year streak, and maybe a championship or 2. For the 2000 decade, they have had the advantage of playing an unbalanced AL Central schedule.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) You have to go back nine decades to get a better winning percentage over a ten year period. From 1951-1967 there was 17 straight years of above .500 ball, with several years with 90 wins and others that were on at least a 90 pace if they played 162.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) The irony is that is coming from someone named "Oldsox". Apparently not old enough to remember decades like the 60's/70's/80's or 90's, where we made two total playoff appearances and had zero world series appearances. In fairness, it used to be a lot harder to make the playoffs.

QUOTE (Andrew @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 07:30 AM) No scoop, and no.... obviously am not and never have been present in the clubhouse. But I have been to the games and an avid follower of the team and am plenty qualified to discuss the product/result on the field. For a guy who has arguably been the best and most consistent hitter over the last 5 seasons (at least), I've not seen his "skills" translate to too many younger guys (or even acquired established guys). And I sure can't point to him as any type of inspirational type guy either, who helps keeps his teammates upbeat, focused, and performing as consistently "as him" despite the circus of mgmt and coaching and nepotistic douchebaggery surrounding them.... While Konerko has performed well, there's no arguing that the team has been pretty damn flat for 5 seasons. I mean - If Konerko is the Tony Robbins of the White Sox, then I'm their Ronnie Woo Woo. Or maybe Jeter has played for the Yankees his entire career - an organization with the $ to keep their rosters packed with veterans along with their coaching, staffing, and management positions; all holding themselves to a level of professionalism that is light years beyond the Sox to the degree that it's a steadfast tradition ACTIVELY DEMANDED by owernship over decades. But yeah, Konerko is slow so like....that's why Gordon Beckham spells "f**" in the dirt during games and can't hit his weight. Why is it your opinion Carl Everett was Tony Robbins in 2005? Wasn't Konerko on the team then? Wasn't he MVP of the ALCS? Couldn't he have been MVP of the WS? Why didn't Carl ever win any more WS rings? And now its on Konerko if players can't play in the big leagues?

QUOTE (YASNY @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 10:36 AM) If the BOD gave JR carte blanche, it's because they trust him to make wise decisions based on his accumen as a businessman. And in that regard, he has done so consistently. If you love at the Sox from 68 through the 70's, until JR and EE bought the Sox and then what's happened since that purchase, to say nothing of the Bulls, then you should be a big fan of JR> From all appearances, JR does listen to his partners and does probably operate using a consensus. I'm just pointing out that if JR wanted to veer off course, he'd get his way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 07:55 AM) That doesn't even make sense. If there wasn't a majority vote, it doesn't matter what was said. There was no action taken. Maybe Jerry changed minds, but he didn't prevent the board from making a sale. Those are vastly different things. It was from Lee Stern who actually is a board member. If you really don't believe BODs give the chairman carte blanche check out my former employer MF Global.