Dick Allen

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 11:44 AM) If someone would do the leg-work and weight each season based on championships/division titles/playoff wins/regular season wins per dollar spent on payroll, I'd be inclined to look at where KW stands against other GMs. I didn't know someone from the ownership group posted here. :lolhitting Come on... that team was in first place from beginning of April to the end of October. They went 11-1 in the playoffs. How can you justify boiling it down to one inning in the divisional round of the playoffs when they were up 2-0 in the series?! If a ball Graffinino makes the play on 999 times out of 1000 doesn't go through his legs and Iguchi homers the next hitter, the series is 1-1. If El Duque pitches like El Duque pitched the second half of 2005, the Sox would then be down 2-1 with Schilling raring to pitch. Take nothing away from that team, the were the World Champions and definitely earned it. I'm just pointing out however, even with the dominate numbers, they were very close to being in a very big bind, but since that didn't happen and they did win, KW and Ozzie are baseball geniuses who can do no wrong it a lot of peoples' eyes. Every team that wins a WS gets lucky. I just want the stubborness to stop. There is no reason to play Pierre and Rios everyday unless you are just trying to prove a point. Ozzie needs to win games. He'll look a lot smarter sitting the guys who aren't getting it done and playing guys who have been productive.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 08:38 AM) To be clear, I'm not defending what they have done the last few seasons and am not trying to save their present day jobs. Yes, I am defending the fact that in 2005 KW got the horses and Ozzie led them to a 99-win season and 11-1 playoff run. To try and cheapen that because of one or two lucky breaks, which every champion tends to get, is funny to me. It's not like those moments were even in elimination games. Again, I'm not cheapening it at all, just mentioning the very fine line between being like Mike Ditka where you can do no wrong because you took one of the best teams of all time to the Super Bowl. or Lovie Smith, a guy a good percentage of Bears fans think doesn't deserve his job even though he took a team QB'd by Rex Grossman to the Super Bowl. Living off 2005 needs to stop. Ozzie believes it should go on forever. For many it will. If the Sox come back and win 85 games this year and finish in 2nd place, I'm not going to be one of the guys who thinks of it as a successful season. Its been brutal. I don't think expecting them to make the playoffs as often as the Yankees and Boston is fair, but they do have and have had in the past and advantage over their division opponents. Back in the 70s and 80s and 90s, making the playoffs once every 5 years was a lot bigger accomplishment than it is now especially considering the Central Division.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 06:53 AM) This is our winning lineup this year in my opinion but with Lillibridge at 3B and Dayan in the outfield. I know, I know, I know Lillipad hasn't ever played 3B, but then again, he rarely played the outfield before this year as well and look at what he's done. I'm sure he's capable of being decent over there. Of course it will never happen. I'm so sick of this team, this organization, this manager, this GM, they are a joke. f*** you Ozzie and your love for one of the worst players in the game. Sure, we need to play Rios and Dunn because of the contracts and their talent level but it is so CLEAR that JP is done, it's sickening. And yet you heard him tonight. We will only get more. Mark Kotsay anyone? The exact same stubborness that made us watch Erstad, and Wise and Kotsay is what is making us watch Rios and Pierre right now. Its ironic both Rios and Pierre have scored the same amount of runs and have driven in the same amount of runs. Ozzie should be embarrassed penciling them in the line up when he has alternatives.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 01:01 AM) Veeck new he could never win in the free agent game so he decided to put his money in development. This is where changes need to be made but I wouldn't be surprised this organization will be stuck with waisting money on hit and miss free agents because of their hit and miss drafting and development. Veeck didn't put money anywhere except his pocket when he sold the team.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 12:43 AM) You do say that. Then you immediately move on to say, BUT if this or that doesn't happen, then they aren't champions and no one cares about them. You give them the right to hang their hat, then with the next line you question how lucky they were to win that title. That's my beef. Every championship team has to get lucky occasionally, it happens. b**** about the last 6 years, b**** about the Twins, b**** about the Hudson trade, but don't say their 99 win team in 2005 got lucky because of one or two plays. So you're saying the second part isn't true? All I'm say is if they didn't get the breaks then, I guarantee you wouldn't be defending either right now. KW had nothing to do with either, at least Ozzie had something to do with El Duque being in the game, although if it didn't work out, he would have been called nuts.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:28 PM) If only we can reverse that. Actually doesn't shock me. I never have the feeling the Sox can come back when they're trailing. Obviously, the record trailing after 6 innings isn't ever going to look very pretty, but almost halfway through the season only 3 wins when trailing with 3 innings to go..........................brutal.

Wow, the Sox are 3-29 when trailing after 6 innings.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:18 PM) Fine start, Mr. Hudson. Wish you were still on the good side. He probably would have lost 2-1 if he was a White Sox tonight. For the love of God KW, gas up JR's jet and get Viciedo to Phoenix. Put Lillibride in CF and tell Pierre and Rios to ride pine.

Alex Rios and Juan Pierre have each scored and driven in the same amount of runs this year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:10 PM) I'm actually really happy that we can look forward to watching Viciedo at least next year. Should be entertaining and he has a chance to be a fan favorite. Unless Ozzie has some excuse why he can't use a guy who apparently can hit. There is really no reason he isn't playing every day for the Sox right now. The reason he's not is the same reason we had to watch Erstad and Owens and Wise leading off. Although, if KW doesn't want to take away Ozzie's toys and make him play with his toys, its on KW.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:01 PM) I love how everyone demands excellence & championships, yet disregards 2005 as a lucky fluke and won't give OG/KW any credit. If you wanna argue that 2005 was 6 years ago and they have underacheived since then, that is fine, I completely understand and your arguments are warranted. But they did make all the right moves to win a title back in the day, and don't take that credit away just cause you hate them now. Read the first sentence of what you are replying to, then pop off. I said they have every right to hang their hat on the championship.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:04 PM) career .248 hitter. saying he ever 'hit' is a stretch. he's got 3 1/2 years to turn it around. No rush. Batting average isn't his game. Homers and walks are what he does.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:05 PM) any chances of placing Rios on waivers in July and a team claiming? The being placed on waivers is a given, the claim, there's no chance. Zero. Even if he showed some signs of life the next few weeks. He's trash and every other team knows it.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 10:57 PM) Have a GM and/or manager ever gotten so much mileage out of a WS appearance/win? Ozzie mentioned the WS win in his rant a week or so ago. He believes he deserves a lifetime pass.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:00 PM) Guy ain't in shape, saw his on-base percentage go down 42 points last year and can't play in the field Reds fans haven't stopped laughing since the day the Sox signed him. He's no more out of shape than he has been the last 6 or 7 years. He just hasn't hit.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) That Anthopoulos is a wizard. Yes he is. The owner should give him a lifetime contract for getting Rios and Wells off the books.

How much longer to we have to watch Alex Rios? He is total garbage.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) They know the expectations and what they are capable of. There are rewards for A's and less so for B's. But like was stated before there are times in life when excellence is expected and other where it's fun. Excelling in school (or not) is a life changer. Whether the Sox have a good team and miss the playoffs is not. Isn't part of being a parent knowing what your child is capable of? For some, Bs are dissappointments, and could show a lack of effort and/or concentration. For some other kids, getting B's is actually quite an accomplishment. Not everyone's intellect is equal. I think looking at the Sox, we have been looking for As and B pluses but most of the time get Bs or B minuses or Cs. You are correct, whether the Sox win 100 or lose 100, its not really going to change anyone's life too much, but as fans which is short for fanatics, winning is important or we probably wouldn't be paying attention or posting on message boards. KW and Ozzie need more As. They have been given the means to accomplish it, and don't get it done too often.

The White Sox have had the fortune of playing KC, Cleveland, and for the most part Detroit 18 times a year the past 10 seasons or so. 84 wins should not be acceptable. Except for 2005 and a couple of other years, the pattern seems to hold true. You think they have a good team. They fall flat on their face, play crappy ball for 3 or 4 months, rally to get back in it and fall apart at the end. They win 83 or 84 games and 5 years later the year is called a success because in the 70s the Sox really sucked. I call BS. Win the division. Make the playoffs. You have had a big advantage over your division foes for years and have squandered it far too often. 2005 is something they will always be able to hang their hat on and rightfully so, but if a couple of crazy things didn't happen against Boston, like a ball going through Graffinino's legs and El Duque, a guy KW didn't even want on the postseason roster not pitching out of a jam, they might still be looking for their first postseason series win in 94 years, and I'm sure Ozzie and KW would have very little support from anyone on this website.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) Yes. What's the link? The tweets were about someone who died in Venezuela.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) Good. The company is a good company, imo, but was clearly selling too high. Part of the problem is people thinking they'll take advantage of a bubble. The good news is this is not staying so over inflated. How do they make their money?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:25 PM) I don't think the rays were mad that the mets didn't tell them. Otherwise, teams do give guys physicals before they approve deals. If a team trades a guy knowing he has some drug issue and doesn't disclose it to the other team, let's just say that doesn't fly. Perhaps they mentioned they have heard the rumors, maybe they even suspect it, etc. They could point to his drug test, or maybe the story just isn't that true. I'm sure if you made everyone on a MLB roster who has ever smoked pot take a week off, you would have a week without enough players to play a game.

QUOTE (lord chas @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 07:59 PM) can anyone enlighten me why viciedo is not being called up? is it to do with options or his contract? It has to do with Ozzie's refusal to bench Pierre and/or Rios. You could have Lillibridge play for Rios and Viciedo play for Pierre. The team is already improved. Pierre is about the only veteran White Sox I have never seen dog it once. He's supposed to be a great guy and a great teammate. The problem is he just either can't play anymore or just isn't doing the job. Its time to be a great influence and help Viciedo out and become a part time player. Put Lillibridge in CF until reality comes crashing in on him and let Rios sit down and try to figure things out while not killing the team.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 07:26 PM) Sox shut out. Wet the bed against the Twins again. Pierre 0/4. Tank time ! Its been Tank time for about a month. I understand being patient and believing veterans will come back to their norms, but the Pierre and Rios experience has gone on long enough. Pierre can't do anything. Rios may even be worse. In his last 500 AB he has hit .233 with 10 homers and is 14-23 stealing bases. Look at Brian Anderson in 2008. He was a little better and not nearly good enough, and also made about $11.5 million less per year. Bring up Viciedo and play Lillibridge. Tell Pierre and Rios to stand by because if those guys start sucking like the two of them have for far too long, they will get another shot.

If the Rays or Mets knew that Kazmir was a stoner and didn't disclose that when trading him, there is a huge issue there. I think there may be some truth to this story, just not all true.