Dick Allen

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 10:02 AM) Are you a fan of the White Sox or just of Paul Konerko? I'm a fan of the White Sox. I want them to acquire good players. Griffey is no better than what was already here IMO. Its 2008 not 1996. I really am not a big Konerko fan, I just have been astounded by all the crap he gets from people who claim to be White Sox fans.

QUOTE (almagest @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 09:59 AM) Griffey had an OPS above .900 for the month of July. He's on a sustained hitting streak. There's a good chance going to a contender might revitalize him further. He's a first ballot hall-of-famer. Konerko isn't doing ANYTHING, and hasn't for the whole season. Our pitching isn't lights-out as it was at the start of the year, so we could use more offense. Richar and Masset aren't very good, and probably won't contribute anything worthwhile in Cincinnati, either. We don't pay anything, and Griffey probably brings back two type-B picks at the end of the year. I don't see much worth complaining about with this move, just wondering where Griffey will play. Revitalized like Robby Alomar? Swisher had a nice OPS in June, it didn't mean squat in July.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 10:56 AM) and so the sox fans are incorrect about konerko but then the reds fans are correct about Griffey? Konerko is 6 years younger and doesn't have the injury history. He's also in a little better condition.

QUOTE (letsgoarow @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) Wow... I dont know what else to say. We gave up some s*** heads for a guy who has been great the last month. and its KEN GRIFFEY JR. Maybe KW should see if Rollie Fingers and Tom Seaver feel like pitching. They were pretty good once. What's funny is about the same percentage of Reds fans feel the exact same way about Griffey as the majority of the board feels about Konerko.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) Hard to get hot, when you're riding pine. Hopefully has a few good BP sessions. I am just worried that the mentally fragile Konerko will hang his head even more and this will make him completely useless...he's close right now but for what he has done for this organization, we owe him a mulligan for this season. Just not at the cost of the penant so sit for a majority of this year (be a solid bench producer) and get things right next year. Mentally fragile Konerko has had some of the biggest ABs in White Sox history.

Griffey is hitting .245 with 15 homers. Last year Konerko hit .259 with 31 homers and everyone was saying how much he sucked. Its going to be ugly seeing Griffey's pot belly giggling as he's chasing balls in the gaps. I give him 2 weeks before he's on the DL. As one of the comments in the Tribune stated: 1995 called and said great trade. The only way this is any good is if KW has a corresponding move.

QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) Bad philosophy to have then. Konerko has his 10/5 rights doesn't he, so he'll only approve a trade to a West Coast team I would imagine, somewhere close to his home in Scottsdale. A team like the Giants who would only have to pay Konerko say 6/7M for a couple of season and trade an insignificant minor leaguer for him, might well take the chance and hope he rebounds. And he would want to go to SF why? Konerko is going nowhere, just hope he gets hot.

QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 09:31 AM) Ok wow. 3 years ago this place was going nuts for us NOT getting Ken Griffey Jr. And now we have him. Right now, KW should be on the phone, doing what he can to trade Paul Konerko. Maybe the D-Backs would be desperate enough to make a move with them missing out on Teixeira, and somehow hoping they can fix his swing (because right now you'd get him for nothing). Maybe the Giants who are always desperate for bats. Swisher should move to 1B, Konerko should hit only against lefties (DH for Thome against them) and play some 1B still, while Griffey moves into CF. Richar I still have hope for, and Masset came on a bit as well this season, but with Griffey you're getting a "name" player, who will help put more butts in seats so there'll be other benefits for the move. Konerko can't be traded. The White Sox don't pay contracts when they ship people off. Konerko has no trade rights and no team will assume the contract.

Supposedly the Cardinals are offering Kyle Lohse for a reliever and a bat. Maybe KW has something going there. I don't like Lohse..

The huge problem with trading Cabrera today is the White Sox would be short on a day they play Minnesota. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. It still makes no sense. I don't understand why the White Sox would assume Griffey's contract even if it meant getting a mediocre reliever for next to nothing. Weathers or Affeld aren't worth taking on Griffey's money if that is what is happening.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:31 AM) So you are saying a young player locked up for the next several years has lost his place on a team because we got an overpaid, over the hill corner OH/DH for a few months? Wow, I guess you really do think KW is retarded. He obviously would get something for Swisher. Street + something else perhaps. Getting Griffey and not moving one of the others makes zero sense, unless of course, Griffey gets hurt in a few days.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 07:08 AM) There has got to be more going on than just prospect-for-Griffey. I don't think there is any question about it. I think if Griffey accepts one of Konerko, Dye,Swisher or Thome either has a major physical problem or is going to get traded, and Swisher seems to me to perhaps be the guy.

I agree with Stoney. If Griffey comes here, I think Dirty Thirty is gone, and since Beane loves him, maybe back to Oakland.

KW had Carl Everett playing CF in 2003. No way Griffey is worse than that.

The only reason they would get Griffey is if either something is physically wrong with either Konerko, Swisher, Dye or Thome, or KW is flipping one of those guys for a piece.

Buster Olney was just on espn and said the White Sox are talking to Oakland about Street and dangling Cabrera out there and the Dodgers need a SS. I don't understand getting rid of Cabrera if you're not going to get a starter. Richar and Getz don't do it for me for the stretch run.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) got that one already. Ryan Spilborghs may be good one day also. Lou Boudreau's mother was Jewish. Did you get Hirsh?

Jason Marquis is Jewish.

Does anyone think the Brew Crew may make Sabathia or Sheets available? The Cubs are crushing them.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 08:28 PM) Oy HAwk is now praising PK walks. Nick Swisher is the only player who should be praised for drawing a walk.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 07:55 PM) Masset did start off the year throwing well. But he has done little lately. If the sox can't trust him [which it seems to be the case--he's barely throwing even in blowouts], and he continues to slide, they'll have to release him. If Texas wants him, good luck. What I'm talking about is options in the minors for Masset's spot. Haeger, Egbert, Ohka and Broadway have all thrown in relief this year in AAA. While Broadway may not be ideal, he or another SP in AAA would likely be a better option than sticking w/ Masset. I would think you wouldn't just want to bring up someone who may be better than Massett. I would think you would want someone who has a decent chance of success. Broadway has been getting lit up for a while now.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) They seem pretty split over at Marlinsbaseball.com on the reported Manny deal. It seems like half dislike it either because they love Hermida or think Manny is a cancer and the other half know they still have plenty of corner OF prospects left and Manny is still one of the best hitters in the game. Considering their low payroll, I thought the Marlins should have gone hard after ARod last winter. A Miami native, an up and coming team, he would have done nothing but help them get the park they want.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 09:14 PM) Is Eric Byrnes the most obvious juicer of this era that hasn't been called out for it? He's had some brutal years.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 09:12 PM) 28 HR, 83 RBI, 49:62 BB:K, .277/.377/.552/.930 The D-Backs would love that one back.