Dick Allen

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2007 -> 08:38 PM) I am sure if your boss offered you a 33% paycut and no job security, you'd be all over that, right? Let's see, here's $5 million guaranteed, plus we will have a team with a payroll around $220 million. If you can guide them to the playoffs, here's another $1 million. If you can guide them to the ALCS, we will give you another million, and if you take this team that will be paid almost double every other team except one to the WS we will give you another million plus guarantee you $8 million the next year, so make the WS, here's $16 million for 2 years. By the way, the most anyone else in the world will get paid to do your same job the next 2 years is $7 million total. I'm pretty sure I would take it, but I don't have Torre's bank. Job security for a 67 year old who very well may just retire anyway is laughable. Last I checked, he has no offers, and very much doubt anyone will pay him more than the Yankees offered him in 2008. This was more about pride, and probably not wanting to go through what he has to go through if the Yankees don't win every season. I commend him for turning it down, but as I stated before, the money was pretty good. More guaranteed for 1 season than the White Sox have paid Ozzie Guillen his entire managerial career.

Joe Torre, NYY $7.5 million Lou Piniella, CHC $3.5 million Bobby Cox, ATL $3 million Tony La Russa, STL $2.8 million Mike Scioscia, LAA $2 million Jim Leyland, DET $2 million Bruce Bochy, SF $1.75 million Terry Francona, BOS $1.65 million Phil Garner, HOU $1.5 million Willie Randolph, NYM $1.4 million Mike Hargrove, SEA $1.3 million Ron Gardenhire, MIN $1.25 million Ozzie Guillen, CHW $1.1 million Eric Wedge, CLE $1.025 million Jim Tracy, PIT $1 million Bob Melvin, ARI $875,000 Buddy Bell, KC $825,000 Ned Yost, MIL $825,000 Clint Hurdle, COL $800,000 Charlie Manuel, PHI $800,000 Jerry Narron, CIN $600,000 Grady Little, LAD $600,000 Sam Perlozzo, BAL $600,000 Ron Washington, TEX $600,000 Joe Maddon, TAM $550,000 John Gibbons, TOR $500,000 Manny Acta, WAS $500,000 Bob Geren, OAK $500,000

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 18, 2007 -> 06:53 PM) It's still a lot of money, but it's also a pretty decent pay cut, so I can see why with him being fed up with everything and the job scrutiny he had to go through, why he would walk away. Mattingly's the favorite, but I'm thinking they may actually go with Girardi if they want to get younger, because of the job he did with Florida and their young players. As for Torre, do people think that'll be it for him, or if say a job such as the Cardinals opens up, would he be interested in that? And also, would LaRussa be at all a candidate for the Yankees job? Wasn't the big knock on Girardi, besides yelling at the owner, his handling of young pitchers? The Yankees rotation is going young. If he blows those arms, or shoulders, or elbows out, they are in trouble.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 18, 2007 -> 06:40 PM) A huge pay cut, a one-year deal to show that they have no confidence in him, and if everything goes right and they win the whole deal, a whopping 6.7% pay raise. THAT is a sham offer. It's cowardly and very laughable. It is not. Its a base salary 43% higher than the second highest managerial salary. If he makes the playoffs, which is almost a lock since he has made them every year he's been with the Yankees, his salary would be 72% higher than any other manager. If he wins 1 playoff series he would put away double what the next highest paid manager makes. If he makes it to the WS he gets 230 % of what the next highest paid manager gets, and gets $8 million vested for 2009. If that's laughable because its insulting, you need to work for Boras. I don't blame him for walking away, he wanted 2 years guaranteed and there is no doubt the Yankees knew he wouldn't take this, and considering they never bothered even negotiating a little bit, they obviously did not want him. That's granted, and for that, I give Torre all the credit in the world for telling them to buzz off. But the money wasn't laughable. He makes it to the ALCS he would have been paid more than the next 2 managers on the list combined. Interestingly, 14 MLB managers make less than $1 million a year. Ozzie gets $1.1 million.

QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 18, 2007 -> 04:41 PM) Time for the Yanks to bid farewell to Rivera/Giambi/Clemens/Mussina/ARod/Abreu/Pettitte/Posada and *gasp* rebuild and get younger. I agree. This collection wasn't winning it all. They still will have a ton of $ to play with. They better hope their young pitchers are as good as advertised or they won't be winning until they can get Santana and a few others on their roster.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 18, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) The offer was laughable. It would have been better to just say outright that he couldn't come back. Better still if Torre had told Steinbrenner to f*** off, but we still have Manny for entertainment. I really don't know how laughable a guaranteed $5 million is. He still would be the highest paid manager in the game. Also an extra $1 million for each round of playoffs the Yankees win makes it $7 million if he makes the WS and $8 million, if they won it. I really don't believe his decision had much to do about money.

All the media surrounding the Tampa complex all week and nobody ever bothered to ask Torre if he still wanted the job. The paycut and 1 year commitment may have been the thing to make him say no, but I doubt it. He still would have been the highest paid manager in baseball. Even would have gotten a raise had they won it all. I think he's sick of being treated like a bag of s***.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 18, 2007 -> 01:55 PM) Ok folks Lew Ford was granted free agency by the Twins. What are the odds Williams brings him in on a minor league deal or goes ahead and signs him for a year, and yes I know Ford's been bad the last two years. He's actually been bad for 3 years. He's really had only 1 good full season. Minor league contract is fine, but make him earn a roster spot.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Oct 16, 2007 -> 09:28 PM) Pratt sounds about as gay as he looks in real life. Pratt's the man.

$600,000 seems like a lot until you realize the combination Andy Gonzalez and Nick Masset made a lot more than that this year. It is a step in the right direction, although Borchard's bonus was the biggest in MLB history for a while IIRC. That didn't work out too well. I wonder how much of an effect it had on future picks and bonuses.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 15, 2007 -> 01:12 PM) .339 after the AS Break as a rookie. .361 in AAA Charlotte before his callup this year. Cangelosi's was .349 as a 23 year old rookie. Shockingly, Cangelosi had a .370 lifetime OBP. Of course he was usually platooned. He had a lifetime .319 slugging pct. This guy is probably a good comparison to Owens. A guy off the bench would be fine. A regular and you don't have a championship calibur team.

Owens is no better than Cangelosi either. KW and Ozzie will rue the day they give this guy the CF job if it comes to that.

Dude is back. The first ex-Cubs manager to manage again in quite a while.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Oct 12, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) It's been a long day and I don't feel like reading the whole thing. Does it say when the report is coming out? Sometime between the end of the WS and the new year.

This is going to be interesting. I bet there will be more than a few shockers. And I don't mean the kind of shocker you may be thinking of.

Bring him in KW. Let Coop hang out in the bullpen where Cave once stood.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 12, 2007 -> 11:14 AM) I hope he gets that but Jerry is a better value at league min that A-row at that price. You are right, he would be a better value, but if Jerry Owens is the regular CF for the 2008 White Sox, there would be cause for concern. The bottom line is unless KW wants to sign guys coming off injuries or multiple dissappointing seasons, players who have produced are going to be very expensive. Probably ridiculously expensive. KW was looking for a correction, but even Hawk said everyone is making money, so I don't think his correction is coming this winter. There may be a time when we think those silly contracts everyone was signing last year were bargains.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2007 -> 08:04 AM) Good for Al. The question now becomes, are the rumors about him waiting for this to enter the Presidential race true? I read on the elevator this morning that he definitely considered using this as a springboard to run, but thinks Hillary is a lock for the nomination.

He won't get that much, but he will get more than a lot of people think. I wouldn't be surprised if someone gives him $12 million a year.

From June 2 to July 8 the White Sox are in Chicago a ton. Only 9 road games. 3 in Detroit. 3 in LA and 3 against the Cubs. I knew the Sox wouldn't open at home after last season. But Cleveland had those games moved to Milwaukee and they get stuck opening at home in March. That's brutal.

How long is Pratt's term as President of Soxtalk? I think he's doing a fine job.

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Oct 11, 2007 -> 11:08 AM) I still disagree. Giving up Rowand and Gio to get a player that cost more money and gives you the same production as a player you already have is a bad move. And, getting nothing for that player is a worse move. This is killing the Sox - got nothing for Ordonez, nothing for Thomas and will probably get nothing for Crede. They can't keep letting their best players go for no return and they also need to sign more free agents. They need to trade some of these guys for good young talent while they can. They have so few quality young guys that can step in and produce. You can't win consistently producing nothing from the farm system and not signing free agents. The talent has to come from somewhere. Your post makes little sense. They didn't trade Ordonez, but not paying him netted them a WS. They signed a free agent that year who was MVP in the World Series. They replaced Thomas with Thome who is at least his equal at this stage. Considering Frank was hurt during 2005 and wound up signing a guarantee of only $500,000, and could barely walk at the time, trading him would have gotten nothing. Keeping him may have worked out, but maybe not. Toronto gave him a lot more money this year than the Sox with the Philly money are paying Thome, and they certainly wouldn't have faired any better the past 2 seasons with Frank in the line-up instead of Thome.

This is a guy the Sox should make President of the team or something.

As the third base coach for the Pirates in 2007, he was as lonely as Razor Shines.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 06:42 PM) Well is it fair to say we've seen Figgins ceiling? Is it really a good idea for us to give up one of our steadiest pitchers and probably our best hitter over the past several years and a good defensive 1B for a player that may have peaked, a reliever who may be in decline and a prospect that hasnt shown the power potential yet to be a great 1B. It just isnt an even deal IMO. As much as I would LIKE those players, its not worth giving up Konerko and Garland even for the financial flexibility. The other part of the deal would be what the Sox did with the money it freed up. Sort of like the CLee/Pods deal. CLee was clearly the better player, but it also included AJP and Iguchi. Too bad this is just a figment of Boer's imagination. Its pretty intriguing.