Dick Allen

There's no doubt Crede went out of his way to get hit. Look at the replay over and over and you cannot conclude anything else. Which brings up another point. Crede was too willing to get the pressure of his shoulders to get something done. For a guy who has several game winning hits in his career, I find that disconcerning.

I think the only reason Wendelstedt called it was because it was Ozzie's team. That is terrible umpiring. You cannot hold a grudge. It would be interested to see how Wendelstedt handled the same situation in previous games he worked the plate. I'm sure its happened on numerous occassions.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) Respectfully disagree. "Not moving" is hardly ever called. Moving into a slow curveball, when the pitch wouldn't have hit you, is called. Crede definitely moved into the pitch. He dipped his elbow right into it. If he had not moved it probably wouldn't have hit him. I have seen guys move into pitches all the time. DJ even mentioned a famous one, Fernando Vina. He used to do what Crede did 25 times a year.

The bottom line is Crede leaned into it. It is hardly ever called. If Jason Kendall leaned into the same pitch today for Oakland (he's leaned into many before) and they made the call, we would all be saying its the correct call. Wendelstedt holds a grudge. This kind of call is exactly how he gets his revenge.

I noticed the sausage king of Chicago is reading this thread.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) KW better make a roster move if Uribe is unable to go this wknd. How come teams never end up having to put their outfielders at SS against us? I'm sure he will if that's the case.

The game is still going on if Rowand catches a routine pop-up to CF. The sun is tough in Oakland, but that play needs to be made. The offense was so brutal today, they didn't deserve to win. Still a great trip, a much needed off day, and then beat the crap out of the Tigers.

Crede definitely dropped his elbow into the pitch. In the spirit of the rule, the umpire probably was correct, but that is never called, especially 2 feet in the box. Ozzie got run because he started talking to Wendelstedt like he was Magglio, I could hear it on the Comcast. The thing I don't understand is Wendlestedt then can say whatever he wants to Ozzie after tossing him. Its BS. Crede got run because when he popped up he turned and said the magic words. Not smart. You have to know Wendelstedt is going to do everything within his power to show Ozzie who has the upper hand.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Dye is a notoriously slow starter, but why Ozzie hasn't moved his ass out of the #5 spot is beyond me. I don't know where everyone is getting this notoriously slow starter stuff. Check his splits from 2002 on. April is one of his better months. May is one of his worst.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) Switch that around to Gload in RF, and Everett at DH, and I agree with you. Gload was the last player I saw drop a routine flyball before Dye did last night. I agree about Everett. Someone should burn all his fielding gloves. Either way it would be scary anytime a ball was hit in that direction.

He was known as double play Dye in Oakland. For the love of God, why is this guy hitting 5th. How much of this crap does Ozzie have to see to realize he should be batting 7th or 8th or riding pine.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) Dye has to play better than this...he's been better than this his whole career, and he should be healthy. He didn't play this bad last year even when he was hurt. He wasn't $5 million good last year. In 2003 he was terrible and very mediocre the year or 2 before that. He is going to hit better than he has, but he is not the 30hr 120rbi player many thought the Sox were getting.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Holy s***, what is with these umps? Not even close, clearly safe. He beat the relay by 1/2 step easily. Gettin' awful tired of these bad calls. Do you think it may be a result of Ozzie's dressdown of Hunter Wendelstedt last season? If it is, these umpires need to be fined and suspended.

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) He may have with the Rockies. That's why I brought it up. Plus, he's a veteran. Oh please. I saw enough of Norton at 3b with the White Sox. There has to be a better option at Charlotte.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 01:50 PM) Dye caught the ball!!!!!!!!!!!! Another Festivus miracle

I agree. The most worrisome thing would be if Harris had to play SS. Ozuna and Uribe both look like they could be out a few days.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) Timo is out of options and has a guaranteed $1 million contract. He would have to be cut and Uncle Jerry would have to pay off the rest of his contract. Ain't gonna happen. JR gave Eddie Robinson $10 million+ to scram from the Bulls. If KW tells him Timo needs to be gone-he gone.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:37 PM) LOL. Harris is still better than Ozuna, and I don't give two s***s what Kenny Williams thinks -- which is really what you're basing your whole argument on. Timber... The problem is Harris can't play SS or 3B. Ozuna can, and usually pretty well.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:35 PM) Yeah, there were 3 big plays that really cost the Sox on offense tonight: - Ozuna's DP - Kotsay gunning out "Piano-back" Iguchi at home - Ginter's diving play on Podsednik's grounder Iguchi is really banged up. He hurt his leg last night.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) ouch, that's not very good. Especially when you figure that Everrett turns around, Dye could become the Podz-platoon when lefties pitch with Frank back. I still hate the idea of quasi-platooning your leadoff hitter though. Do you really think Frank is coming back?

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 11:24 PM) Name something to like about Jermaine Dye besides taking less money. Waiting. He's very nice, and has fine penmanship.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 07:24 PM) That's hilarious, and loser is the right word for him. He is truly a goofball, and Baker can't control him. Is there anyone Baker can control?

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 07:12 PM) Ummm, right now Prior is their ace, Zambrano is their #2, and Wood is their #3. And Neifi Perez is hitting like Babe Ruth lately. My prediction: they will keep starting Neifi at SS and not even make a trade for another SS. Busty loves Neifi and the Flubs' payroll is maxed out because of Hendry's horrible offseason. The Tribune could give them more money to spend but why bother? Flubs fans will keep going to the games even if they suck. Afterall, they ARE the "Lovable Loser." Prior is their ace, Zambrano their second best pitcher. But there is no way Dusty would put Zambrano ahead of Wood. Remember, even after last year when Zambrano was clearly their best pitcher, Wood was slated to start the opener until he had pain in the shoulder. Neifi is going to have a wicked slump soon. And I agree, they aren't going to spend much money, especially after the Tribune printed the charge the company took for the Sammy Sosa trade, for all the shareholders to see.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 26, 2005 -> 07:02 PM) As bad as Zambrainless is pitching tonight, there's no way the Flubs would trade him for Uribe. Uribe is good but he's no where near the value of Zambrano. Zambrano would have to eat a baby for the Flubs to make that trade. Yeah, I thought it was crazy. The only thing that made it plausable to me was maybe the Cubs are worried about Zambrano's long-term effectiveness. He's doesn't appear to be much of a physical fitness buff. He definitely is a head case. They are going to have to pay him a lot of money pretty soon. They need a SS. There are a lot of people of the opinion that Uribe is currently Miquel Tejada lite, with a possibility of becoming more than that. The Cubs situation is perfect for Zambrano. With Prior and Wood there, he will never be more than a #3 starter. I really question if he has the mental make up to be an ace. I am sure the deal hasn't been discussed, it sounded like it was just radio fun.

My dad was listening to the score the other day and said Hawk was on. Somehow Hawk was talking to George Offman and Hawk asked if the Cubs would take Uribe for Zambrano. Offman said the Cubs would do that deal in a minute.