Dick Allen

He actually was beaned more than he was unintentionally walked each of the last 2 seasons. He gets on the opponents nerves, I love guys like this.

I think when it comes down to it Bowden won't give ELo 3 years. ELo was very happy here and may bite on an incentive laiden deal, maybe even a one year prove yourself deal. If not, back to the drawing board. I think it doesn't matter what starter the Sox get if they don't do something about the middle infield. If Uribe struggles or gets hurt, its Harris and Valdez right now. That is scary. Davis couldn't beat out Dan Wilson last year. He had a hot streak, but reverted back to the Ben Davis scouts know later on. Burke is a journeyman who has to be a back up, and nothing more. If Clement is going to get $9 million a year for 3 years, I'd rather it not be JR signing the checks. I think he will be a dissapointment, especially if he goes to the AL. If ELo was average, KW could still swing a trade at the deadline for a guy and only have to pay him for half the season.

It doesn't help when you are trying to make him part of the trade for one of the best pitchers in baseball that your manager refers to him as "my #5 starter"

Schoenweiss is going to command at least $2 million in arbitration, and Ben Davis $1.5. I say get AJ and kiss these 2 goodbye. Use the rest of the additional money from the CLee trade and what was available to sign Cabrerra. Forget Clement, he is too pricey for a guy who's best year is 2 over .500. See if Esteban wants to come back for a bargain price to be the 5th starter. He was the 5th starter at the beginning of 2003, maybe lightning can strike twice. You'll be over budget a little, but you would have a good team.

Exactly. As much as I dislike the job KW has done thusfar in his tenure, if he was able to make this trade, he would deserve a lifetime contract. It will never happen.

Its BS. Pods is not BB's type of player. The guy at wsi says its speculation by his cousin.

This is interesting. KW did say that Vizcaino was the "key" to the deal.

Maybe making room for the ptbnl

Sandy signed with Texas. Maybe they'll start trading for him every June instead of his brother.

Wasn't he supposed to go to the Yankees last season before he was hurt, but they backed off because they would have used him in the bullpen, and they thought he wouldn't have a good attitude about it?

I still think Shoenweiss is going to be non-tendered. There is no spot for him in the bullpen now, and coming off surgery to have to count on him in the 5th starter spot is a stretch. Besides, they already said they were going to get another starter, and Ozzie said the other day that Garland was the #5 starter. IIRC, Ben Davis is also eligible for arbitration. I think he will also be non tendered, and with the savings on both these guys the Sox sign Piersinski. Maybe I'm dreaming but I also think the Sox are going to get either Renteria, Cabrerra or Polanco, or trade for a very productive middle infielder. Right now if Uribe goes down that would leave a middle infield of Harris and Valdez. That's not good. Finally, I think JR will approve a budget busting signing or trade for another starter. The roster then would be good enough to win the AL Central, and maybe even more.

Steve Phillips was just on espnnews and he thinks the Sox have a couple of deals pending. He didn't mention any names but said they are looking to add power.

That and the fact KW said on WGN tonight that they make hold the money saved for mid season acquisitions (I still think they will acquire somebody) would make this potentially KW's worst deal. KW should have his job on the line with this deal. If it works out, sign him to an extension. If it blows up, show him the door.

Maybe KW has a 2 for 1 trade he's trying to get done. That's the only thing I could think of.

How can anyone say this guy is a true leadoff hitter? His obp was .313, he struck out 105 times. He should bat ninth. But whether or not the trade was any good can't be determined until we find out who the ptbnl is and what KW and JR do with the extra money.

And you know for a fact, Einstein, that that ERA would be just as good at USCF. Pitching against DH's and not pitchers. I never said he was a bad pitcher, he isn't worth the money. :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips***

Absolutely not.

But you can't guarantee his run support would have been significantly higher with the Sox, and if it was, you cannot predict the conditions under which he pitched would have added to his ERA. The guy has never won 15 games in a season, and he finished the season injured and worn down, just like the year before. He's a decent pitcher, he's just not worth $9 million a year.

RJ was on a team that lost 111 games . Clement was on a team that won MORE games than the White Sox and he had only 9 wins. How do you come up with 18 wins if he was on a worse team? How do you possibly think Clement is worth $9 million a year? Please refrain from calling me dumb anymore.

Not I'm not dumb. Wins are a lot more important than ERA. He's had a couple of seasons of decent ERA's, but he's an injury risk. Plus, at no time did I say he wasn't better than Garland. I just mentioned Garland has more wins than him. Clement is overpriced. Teams with budgetary concerns like the White Sox should stay away. The guy is getting $1 million per win last season. Its ridiculous. Whichever team signs this guy at that number will regret it.

Red Sox, not White. Say away from Clement. He won 9 games and is going to get $9 million. The Cubs had a better record than Sox and Garland won more than that.

I'm holding out hope the money saved in this deal will be used filling another hole. 2 average at best players for Carlos Lee is an absolute joke.

If Frank is out for a prolonged period, or he can't return to form, the White Sox would have a lot of trouble scoring runs.

I was referring to what Bruce said. He reported that he talked to people in the White Sox organization and said that is what they told him. That is what I was referring to. I did nothing erroneously. There was nothing negative that I posted, re- read it. In fact, I have been one of the most postive posters on this board. I was pissed about Magglio, but that's been about i. I said it was probably a smokescreen to hide their interest AJ.

Bruce Levine stated on Talking Baseball that the Sox said he was hated by his teammates in 2 places. Please get off my back. I also stated they were probably stating this to "fly below the radar."